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What a useless article! I found some actual information here: https://www.techspot.com/news/97995-data-center-uses-waste-heat-warm-public-pool.html https://www

by dn3500 3mo ago

What a useless article! I found some actual information here: https://www.techspot.com/news/97995-data-center-uses-waste-heat-warm-public-pool.html https://www.techspot.com/news/97995-data-center-uses-waste-h... The "data center" produces about 28 kW of heat and the swimming pool has cut its gas bill by 62%. They are saving US$24,000 per year.

alexpotato 3mo ago
I don't know about in swimming centers in England but I do know YMCAs in the US often have budgets that look like: - Revenue: $25.01M - Expenses: $25M So "small savings" like this can add up for them.
- appplication 3mo ago
  This is mostly just due to how nonprofits work. If you have excess revenue, you can’t return it to shareholders so you might as well spend it on mission-oriented activities.
  - pocksuppet 3mo ago
    You can, and should, keep it in case you have less revenue next year though.
    - SoftTalker 3mo ago
      You can do this up to a point but if it looks like you're actually making a profit it might raise questions eventually. Keeping enough to cover one year's operating costs is pretty common though.
      - throwaway27448 3mo ago
        God forbid a non-profit try and compete honestly
        SoftTalker 3mo ago
        Non-profits usually don't "compete" at least in the economic sense. They exist for a charitable purpose that isn't normally well-served by the competitive market.
        throwaway27448 3mo ago
        First of all, charity is a christian concept that has no role in modern secular society. Anything worth doing out of the kindness of our hearts is worth doing collectively without expecting individuals do disproportionately sacrifice. Second, of course zero-margin processes have an economic role. That is what market efficiency looks like. The entire point of competition is to produce these economic processes. The american brain can't fathom getting their money's worth lol
        akramachamarei 3mo ago
        > Anything worth doing out of the kindness of our hearts is worth doing collectively without expecting individuals do disproportionately sacrifice. What are you saying here? Like, how are you distinguishing individual charity from the thing "worth doing collectively"? Presumably you don't consider individuals voluntarily giving and thus voluntarily organizing insofar as they coordinate to be the same as collective action, so I can't help but wonder which part is different, and I worry it's the voluntary bit....
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        throwaway27448 3mo ago
        Yes. I think people should be forced at gunpoint to contribute to their society. Typically that gunpoint is the state, but we seem to be allergic to having a functional society. Why be proud of your country when you can be a narcissist who steps over the homeless on the way to your job?
  - choilive 3mo ago
    Non-profits have treasury functions.. it is prudent that many of them have some sort of cash reserves.
swiftcoder 3mo ago
> They are saving US$24,000 per year. Keeping in mind that the datacenter operator is also paying the power bill for that (which presumably is roughly 28 kW), amounting to something like £65,000/year at current UK rates
beAbU 3mo ago
> 28 kW So not even a single rack by modern standards.

by dn3500 3mo ago

alexpotato 3mo ago

I don't know about in swimming centers in England but I do know YMCAs in the US often have budgets that look like: - Revenue: $25.01M - Expenses: $25M So "small savings" like this can add up for them.

appplication 3mo ago
This is mostly just due to how nonprofits work. If you have excess revenue, you can’t return it to shareholders so you might as well spend it on mission-oriented activities.
- pocksuppet 3mo ago
  You can, and should, keep it in case you have less revenue next year though.
  - SoftTalker 3mo ago
    You can do this up to a point but if it looks like you're actually making a profit it might raise questions eventually. Keeping enough to cover one year's operating costs is pretty common though.
    - throwaway27448 3mo ago
      God forbid a non-profit try and compete honestly
      - SoftTalker 3mo ago
        Non-profits usually don't "compete" at least in the economic sense. They exist for a charitable purpose that isn't normally well-served by the competitive market.
        throwaway27448 3mo ago
        First of all, charity is a christian concept that has no role in modern secular society. Anything worth doing out of the kindness of our hearts is worth doing collectively without expecting individuals do disproportionately sacrifice. Second, of course zero-margin processes have an economic role. That is what market efficiency looks like. The entire point of competition is to produce these economic processes. The american brain can't fathom getting their money's worth lol
        akramachamarei 3mo ago
        > Anything worth doing out of the kindness of our hearts is worth doing collectively without expecting individuals do disproportionately sacrifice. What are you saying here? Like, how are you distinguishing individual charity from the thing "worth doing collectively"? Presumably you don't consider individuals voluntarily giving and thus voluntarily organizing insofar as they coordinate to be the same as collective action, so I can't help but wonder which part is different, and I worry it's the voluntary bit....
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        throwaway27448 3mo ago
        Yes. I think people should be forced at gunpoint to contribute to their society. Typically that gunpoint is the state, but we seem to be allergic to having a functional society. Why be proud of your country when you can be a narcissist who steps over the homeless on the way to your job?
- choilive 3mo ago
  Non-profits have treasury functions.. it is prudent that many of them have some sort of cash reserves.

swiftcoder 3mo ago

> They are saving US$24,000 per year. Keeping in mind that the datacenter operator is also paying the power bill for that (which presumably is roughly 28 kW), amounting to something like £65,000/year at current UK rates

beAbU 3mo ago

> 28 kW So not even a single rack by modern standards.