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This seems to be paying lip service to creating a supply chain in the USA. These are not anything like Apple Silicon ARM chips, they are not even Wifi chips?

arenaninja 3mo ago
I figure supply chain migration is an incremental process and any progress is a win. In my mind some of the tech needs genuinely experienced staff and that must be seeded somehow. Note I am talking out of my ass but this is how I see the picture. I have no experience in supply chain or manufacturing :)
- r3trohack3r 3mo ago
  Not just experienced staff but an entire ecosystem of supporting startups, industry, talent, and infrastructure around the main fabs.
  - matwood 3mo ago
    You forgot education in your list, which the current administration is also at odds with.
    - SwedishDungeon 3mo ago
      What are the current administration's education policies that you think will have the most negative impact on our domestic manufacturing capabilities?
      - mikeyouse 3mo ago
        Nuking international students and then making it so they can't stay after getting degrees here is one huge issue: https://www.piie.com/publications/policy-briefs/2026/class-dismissed-effect-international-student-exclusion-us-stem https://www.piie.com/publications/policy-briefs/2026/class-d...
        fhn 3mo ago
        but wouldn't that give more opportunities for local students? The disadvantage is, they come, learn, leave, and take what they've learned to benefiting a competing nation, sort of training your replacement. Also, there is the security and IP theft aspect. What are the benefits?
        reverius42 3mo ago
        The benefits are recruiting the best and brightest students from a pool of 8b people instead of only 300m people. And some of them (most, if encouraged?) will stay in the US after that and contribute to the economy.
        mikeyouse 3mo ago
        I can't believe we need to rehash these tired arguments every time this is discussed. At this point, I'm convinced that some people are too jingoistic and simple-minded to believe the immense benefits that attracting the smartest people in the world has for the US. "In 2018, there were 91 unicorn companies in the U.S., and 50 of them (or 55%) had an immigrant founder. Just eight years later, in 2026, those numbers increased to 775 U.S. unicorn companies (as of April 2026), and 455 (59%) have at least one immigrant founder"
        roughly 3mo ago
        They don’t leave unless you force them to.
        andriy_koval 3mo ago
        > The H-1B serves mainly to retain workers already here, not to recruit them from outside that article looks like full of bs
        jayGlow 3mo ago
        a huge amount of American graduated aren't able to find work after graduation with a significant number of jobs going to foreigners. that seems problematic to me we should be putting Americans first not importing people to do the job they spent years training for.
- eitally 3mo ago
  I have 15 years experience working in high tech electronics manufacturing (for a global firm with factories around the world, including in the US and China) and can tell you the most difficult thing to manage is the supply chain. For time as much as cost, but if you have to ship a $.10 component 6000 miles to get it to a factory, it's pretty dang inefficient. That said, you're right about cultivating new experience in younger generations. It's probably not surprising to hear that the majority of factory workers in the US are GenX or older.

arenaninja 3mo ago

I figure supply chain migration is an incremental process and any progress is a win. In my mind some of the tech needs genuinely experienced staff and that must be seeded somehow. Note I am talking out of my ass but this is how I see the picture. I have no experience in supply chain or manufacturing :)

r3trohack3r 3mo ago
Not just experienced staff but an entire ecosystem of supporting startups, industry, talent, and infrastructure around the main fabs.
- matwood 3mo ago
  You forgot education in your list, which the current administration is also at odds with.
  - SwedishDungeon 3mo ago
    What are the current administration's education policies that you think will have the most negative impact on our domestic manufacturing capabilities?
    - mikeyouse 3mo ago
      Nuking international students and then making it so they can't stay after getting degrees here is one huge issue: https://www.piie.com/publications/policy-briefs/2026/class-dismissed-effect-international-student-exclusion-us-stem https://www.piie.com/publications/policy-briefs/2026/class-d...
      - fhn 3mo ago
        but wouldn't that give more opportunities for local students? The disadvantage is, they come, learn, leave, and take what they've learned to benefiting a competing nation, sort of training your replacement. Also, there is the security and IP theft aspect. What are the benefits?
        reverius42 3mo ago
        The benefits are recruiting the best and brightest students from a pool of 8b people instead of only 300m people. And some of them (most, if encouraged?) will stay in the US after that and contribute to the economy.
        mikeyouse 3mo ago
        I can't believe we need to rehash these tired arguments every time this is discussed. At this point, I'm convinced that some people are too jingoistic and simple-minded to believe the immense benefits that attracting the smartest people in the world has for the US. "In 2018, there were 91 unicorn companies in the U.S., and 50 of them (or 55%) had an immigrant founder. Just eight years later, in 2026, those numbers increased to 775 U.S. unicorn companies (as of April 2026), and 455 (59%) have at least one immigrant founder"
        roughly 3mo ago
        They don’t leave unless you force them to.
      - andriy_koval 3mo ago
        > The H-1B serves mainly to retain workers already here, not to recruit them from outside that article looks like full of bs
      - jayGlow 3mo ago
        a huge amount of American graduated aren't able to find work after graduation with a significant number of jobs going to foreigners. that seems problematic to me we should be putting Americans first not importing people to do the job they spent years training for.
eitally 3mo ago
I have 15 years experience working in high tech electronics manufacturing (for a global firm with factories around the world, including in the US and China) and can tell you the most difficult thing to manage is the supply chain. For time as much as cost, but if you have to ship a $.10 component 6000 miles to get it to a factory, it's pretty dang inefficient. That said, you're right about cultivating new experience in younger generations. It's probably not surprising to hear that the majority of factory workers in the US are GenX or older.