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Loosing Fable July 12th and getting usage cut by a third post July 13th is going to be rough. Looks like all the reporting about Anthropic trying their earnest

Loosing Fable July 12th and getting usage cut by a third post July 13th is going to be rough. Looks like all the reporting about Anthropic trying their earnest to turn a profit this quarter is true. In the mean time, I will gladly switch to Codex. Their Pro plan gives you amble usage and only runs close when you are using the fast mode. And even if you run out of credits, they have given users so many credit resets this past month that you can just activate one of those after. I understand Fable is a great model, but switching to API usage will run many people thousands of dollars with the same usage from their subscription plans. Not worth it IMO. EDIT: corrected usage cut amount

robgough 3mo ago
What makes you think your usage is getting cut by 50% post July 13th? It's just that you can use up to 50% of your usage on Fable right now, and that is what is going away. I'm going to miss Fable too, I found it surprisingly tough going back to Opus when we lost Fable first time round, but paying API costs is simply out of the question for me right now.
- nickandbro 3mo ago
  https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 I guess to be more accurate, usage wouldn't get cut 50% but rather by 33.3% post July 13th.
  - robgough 3mo ago
    Wow, thanks, I'd missed that. It's impossible to keep up with Anthropic and their rather erratic way of operating.
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user3939382 3mo ago
Subscription is ~$200/month. When I tried running on tokens it was ~$500/day for the same usage pattern. My guess is my usage is atypically high, but even if the average equivalent is $100-250/day you can get a sense of how much Anthropic is subsidizing subscriptions as a loss leader to lock market share. IMHO this is a doomed strategy since open models will get into a long tail of parity and they’ll ultimately essentially be in the business of commodity compute.
- theptip 3mo ago
  I think you need to consider how much dev mindshare you get from the loss-leader. Claude has grown at an insane rate. They brought vibe-coding mainstream. At some point they might decide they have enough demand and inertia from enterprise to reduce the subsidy. But to say “it’s doomed” really misses the fact that it has already been immensely successful.
  - verall 3mo ago
    I think it's for the insane amount of data they get to collect. Most people probably don't turn off the "help improve other models" while corporations paying by the token have blanket no-train policies applied to everyone.
    - theptip 3mo ago
      Yeah that is definitely an angle too.
  - visarga 3mo ago
    We can switch in a heartbeat to a competitor, what kept us to Claude was that it had better models for a while. Closing Fable off means they are squarely inferior now. For me Opus 4.8 was a slow model with a strong habit of talking down to me in an obnoxious way that would not be possible to prompt away. GPT 5.5 is now my main driver for serious work.
    - yehosef 3mo ago
rcfox 3mo ago
This is the first I'm hearing about a usage cut. Do you have a link to an announcement for this? Search hasn't shown anything.
- nickandbro 3mo ago
  Yeah it's right here: https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 It's not phrased as a usage cut, but rather when their 50% higher limits ends. EDIT: its 33.3% less usage after July 13th
  - rcfox 3mo ago
    Huh, it's wild that they didn't send an email about this. I can't imagine people taking this well, especially as they don't seem to be giving notice about the end of it either.
    - notrealyme123 3mo ago
      I started using Claude Code in the meantime with a max plan. I am very muched surprised by this.
  - what 3mo ago
    That’s not a cut? They gave you extra usage for a set time period, it was never part of your subscription.
alwillis 3mo ago
> Looks like all the reporting about Anthropic trying their earnest to turn a profit this quarter is true. That's not how any of this works. Anthropic is playing the long game; they're not going make a short-sighted decision just so they announce a profit for one quarter, which doesn’t mean much because it won’t be a sustainable profit since they're going to need to spend a ton of money on training and compute over the next few months. That's why they did a G funding round for $14 billion in February and $65 billion in May. I suspect one reason for switching Fable to API usage for the near future is they don't have enough compute for their enterprise customers and every hobbyist on their $20/month Pro plan, 80% of which don’t need Fable 5 anyway but that won't stop them from using it as much as they can.
- nickandbro 3mo ago
  > which doesn’t mean much because it won’t be a sustainable profit since they're going to need to spend a ton of money on training and compute over the next few months. Never was arguing that it would be a sustained profit, just that they are. Most likely for the reasons you just listed.
- jatora 3mo ago
  Short term higher profit for IPO
eli_gottlieb 3mo ago
> In the mean time, I will gladly switch to Codex. IME Codex had a bit of a big head/ego about writing what it thinks I ought to want rather than what I actually ask for, and I've had to spend some time cleaning up its slop.

robgough 3mo ago

What makes you think your usage is getting cut by 50% post July 13th? It's just that you can use up to 50% of your usage on Fable right now, and that is what is going away. I'm going to miss Fable too, I found it surprisingly tough going back to Opus when we lost Fable first time round, but paying API costs is simply out of the question for me right now.

nickandbro 3mo ago
https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 I guess to be more accurate, usage wouldn't get cut 50% but rather by 33.3% post July 13th.
- robgough 3mo ago
  Wow, thanks, I'd missed that. It's impossible to keep up with Anthropic and their rather erratic way of operating.
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user3939382 3mo ago

Subscription is ~$200/month. When I tried running on tokens it was ~$500/day for the same usage pattern. My guess is my usage is atypically high, but even if the average equivalent is $100-250/day you can get a sense of how much Anthropic is subsidizing subscriptions as a loss leader to lock market share. IMHO this is a doomed strategy since open models will get into a long tail of parity and they’ll ultimately essentially be in the business of commodity compute.

theptip 3mo ago
I think you need to consider how much dev mindshare you get from the loss-leader. Claude has grown at an insane rate. They brought vibe-coding mainstream. At some point they might decide they have enough demand and inertia from enterprise to reduce the subsidy. But to say “it’s doomed” really misses the fact that it has already been immensely successful.
- verall 3mo ago
  I think it's for the insane amount of data they get to collect. Most people probably don't turn off the "help improve other models" while corporations paying by the token have blanket no-train policies applied to everyone.
  - theptip 3mo ago
    Yeah that is definitely an angle too.
- visarga 3mo ago
  We can switch in a heartbeat to a competitor, what kept us to Claude was that it had better models for a while. Closing Fable off means they are squarely inferior now. For me Opus 4.8 was a slow model with a strong habit of talking down to me in an obnoxious way that would not be possible to prompt away. GPT 5.5 is now my main driver for serious work.
  - yehosef 3mo ago

rcfox 3mo ago

This is the first I'm hearing about a usage cut. Do you have a link to an announcement for this? Search hasn't shown anything.

nickandbro 3mo ago
Yeah it's right here: https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 https://x.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2054639777685934564 It's not phrased as a usage cut, but rather when their 50% higher limits ends. EDIT: its 33.3% less usage after July 13th
- rcfox 3mo ago
  Huh, it's wild that they didn't send an email about this. I can't imagine people taking this well, especially as they don't seem to be giving notice about the end of it either.
  - notrealyme123 3mo ago
    I started using Claude Code in the meantime with a max plan. I am very muched surprised by this.
- what 3mo ago
  That’s not a cut? They gave you extra usage for a set time period, it was never part of your subscription.

alwillis 3mo ago

> Looks like all the reporting about Anthropic trying their earnest to turn a profit this quarter is true. That's not how any of this works. Anthropic is playing the long game; they're not going make a short-sighted decision just so they announce a profit for one quarter, which doesn’t mean much because it won’t be a sustainable profit since they're going to need to spend a ton of money on training and compute over the next few months. That's why they did a G funding round for $14 billion in February and $65 billion in May. I suspect one reason for switching Fable to API usage for the near future is they don't have enough compute for their enterprise customers and every hobbyist on their $20/month Pro plan, 80% of which don’t need Fable 5 anyway but that won't stop them from using it as much as they can.

nickandbro 3mo ago
> which doesn’t mean much because it won’t be a sustainable profit since they're going to need to spend a ton of money on training and compute over the next few months. Never was arguing that it would be a sustained profit, just that they are. Most likely for the reasons you just listed.
jatora 3mo ago
Short term higher profit for IPO

eli_gottlieb 3mo ago

> In the mean time, I will gladly switch to Codex. IME Codex had a bit of a big head/ego about writing what it thinks I ought to want rather than what I actually ask for, and I've had to spend some time cleaning up its slop.