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> One week. Three senior engineers. $10,000. What your markup on their salaries? For the level of work you're promising, it sounds like they may be at market o

> One week. Three senior engineers. $10,000. What your markup on their salaries? For the level of work you're promising, it sounds like they may be at market or below.

kristianc 3mo ago
They're all based in Poland, so it's probably fairly generous compared to European market.
- zie1ony 3mo ago
  true
Lalabadie 3mo ago
Some (lots of) people will trade a lot of money for general life freedom. If it's well-booked, a service like this can come to around 105k/year for each dev. A salary like this is only a big compromise if you live in a very high cost of life area.
sandeepkd 3mo ago
This seems like a easy way to get into consulting. Once you deliver the code back to the owners they are going to do the vibe coding again on the top whatever refactored code you get back. In other words it can become a perpetual cycle.
- zie1ony 3mo ago
  The goal is to avoid it and build such a structure and guidlines for the codebase, so it can refactor itself when needed, but based on the architecture defined by us. With good set of docs and new feature definition you can most of the time use /grill-me with good outcomes.
  - sandeepkd 3mo ago
    Call me pessimistic or realistic, the code and architecture is just a reflection of the author/organization. The only way it can change/improve is if you either switch the people/organization or invest in their improvement/continuous learning.
hahahaa 3mo ago
Probably will do a patio11 and keep raising as they get more confident to do so.
zie1ony 3mo ago
Being honest, knocking one refactor after another is super intense and we would burn out quickly. To me refactoring/reading/reviewing a code that you have never seen is one of the hardest thing to do for a software developer. If I have 4 such projects a month, I'd just hire more people and allow them to rest. Also invest more into internal tooling to speed things up would be good solution to remove some burden. I think $10,000 for refactor is a fair price. We also have other gigs and ongoing project, where we can rest a bit.

> One week. Three senior engineers. $10,000. What your markup on their salaries? For the level of work you're promising, it sounds like they may be at market or below.

kristianc 3mo ago

They're all based in Poland, so it's probably fairly generous compared to European market.

zie1ony 3mo ago
true

Lalabadie 3mo ago

Some (lots of) people will trade a lot of money for general life freedom. If it's well-booked, a service like this can come to around 105k/year for each dev. A salary like this is only a big compromise if you live in a very high cost of life area.

sandeepkd 3mo ago

This seems like a easy way to get into consulting. Once you deliver the code back to the owners they are going to do the vibe coding again on the top whatever refactored code you get back. In other words it can become a perpetual cycle.

zie1ony 3mo ago
The goal is to avoid it and build such a structure and guidlines for the codebase, so it can refactor itself when needed, but based on the architecture defined by us. With good set of docs and new feature definition you can most of the time use /grill-me with good outcomes.
- sandeepkd 3mo ago
  Call me pessimistic or realistic, the code and architecture is just a reflection of the author/organization. The only way it can change/improve is if you either switch the people/organization or invest in their improvement/continuous learning.

hahahaa 3mo ago

Probably will do a patio11 and keep raising as they get more confident to do so.

zie1ony 3mo ago

Being honest, knocking one refactor after another is super intense and we would burn out quickly. To me refactoring/reading/reviewing a code that you have never seen is one of the hardest thing to do for a software developer. If I have 4 such projects a month, I'd just hire more people and allow them to rest. Also invest more into internal tooling to speed things up would be good solution to remove some burden. I think $10,000 for refactor is a fair price. We also have other gigs and ongoing project, where we can rest a bit.