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Whether China is immigration friendly or not is debatable. However, here's a recent announcement from last week: Nobel Laureate in Chemistry Omar M. Yaghi join

Whether China is immigration friendly or not is debatable. However, here's a recent announcement from last week: Nobel Laureate in Chemistry Omar M. Yaghi joins Tsinghua University full-time https://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/en/info/1244/14984.htm https://www.tsinghua.edu.cn/en/info/1244/14984.htm

dzonga 3mo ago
unfortunately people won't see how bad this is. most of the A.I researchers are already Chinese. now imagine other talented researchers on their way to earn Nobels - they're already in China & other countries but not visible yet. this corrupt US administration fxxked the US in ways that will be felt for decades.
- esafak 3mo ago
  It's good for dangerous people to be denied resources. Scientists leaving Germany turned the tide. edit: I was not suggesting China was the good side; Europe is least dangerous today.
  - LunaSea 3mo ago
    Both sides are dangerous
Levitz 3mo ago
>Whether China is immigration friendly or not is debatable. Compared to the US or Europe? No it's not debatable. No dual citizenship at all, most probably no citizenship. Harder residency. Good luck bringing family there. Not going to even mention the obscene difference in racism OR the language barrier, both of which are enormous factors.
- fakedang 3mo ago
  I doubt many of the researchers migrating even want Chinese citizenship and the chains that come along with it, so why do most people (presumably Americans) keep harping on and on about it? Once you're invited by the CCP for your exceptional research background, you're literally given an open chequebook for both your personal compensation and your future research endeavors. You're allowed to take your family along with you too, and the language barrier doesn't translate in the professional setting. Racism is a non-issue since I doubt these researchers will even be interacting with elements of that segment of Chinese Han society, unless they choose to.
  - Levitz 3mo ago
    >I doubt many of the researchers migrating even want Chinese citizenship and the chains that come along with it, so why do most people (presumably Americans) keep harping on and on about it? Because it's an important matter regarding immigration. If you want to live in a country, you might want to actually be a citizen of that country. Does that need explaining? >Once you're invited by the CCP for your exceptional research background, you're literally given an open chequebook for both your personal compensation and your future research endeavors. None of which is related to immigration. >You're allowed to take your family along with you too, and the language barrier doesn't translate in the professional setting. >Racism is a non-issue since I doubt these researchers will even be interacting with elements of that segment of Chinese Han society, unless they choose to. Are you seriously suggesting that people can literally just not engage at all with the society they live in? This just reads like deeply, deeply delusional reasoning attempting to paint China as a good alternative.
    - godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
      Have you ever lived overseas? Honestly you sound delusional. Do you think the USA makes it easy to become a citizen? Short of that, there is a wide spectrum on how countries treats immigrants. This is the most important factor for people actually living in a place. Acting like the bar for living somewhere is citizenship is nuts. > Are you seriously suggesting that people can literally just not engage at all with the society they live in? This pretty much confirms you have never lived overseas lol. Anyone who has will have met many people that achieve this. Like living anywhere immersing yourself in your surroundings (w/e that means to you) takes extra effort. Most people go overseas to work. It's not playtime. With that comes a built in community. > None of which is related to immigration How is getting money and support to live in a place not related to immigration? Why are you so reactive about something you clearly know nothing about? Because China bad?
      - Levitz 3mo ago
        I have lived abroad, yes. Does the USA make it easy to become a citizen? If the comparison is China, yes, a thousand times yes. Does language and society matter a truckload? Absolutely. >Short of that, there is a wide spectrum on how countries treats immigrants. This is the most important factor for people actually living in a place. Yes. Does China treat immigrants better than the US? As I explained, no. There is no contest. The comparison borders on the absurd. The US is a remarkably flawed country in many aspects, but the vast majority of the stigma around its immigration comes from the fact that it's a matter that the US takes very, very seriously. The bar for living somewhere is not necessarily citizenship but it absolutely is a factor if someone is seriously planning to immigrate somewhere. For an incredibly evident and very current example, the 14th amendment was very recently reaffirmed, with a whole lot of people being horrified it was even thrown into question at all. >How is getting money and support to live in a place not related to immigration? Because any quantity of money beyond a livable wage has barely any relation to integrating people into a culture. A model of immigration based on money is not immigration at all, that's just hiring foreign workers.
- neonstatic 3mo ago
  > Not going to even mention the obscene difference in racism OR the language barrier, both of which are enormous factors. Language wise, absolutely. Racism-wise, I think you underestimate how wildly racist the US is. As a European, I am still quite shocked. Everything in that country is viewed through the lens of skin color.
  - zappb 3mo ago
    Ask a European about Roma people. They are far more racist than the Americans.
    - neonstatic 3mo ago
      I am a European. I don't even remember when was the last time I had a conversation about race with someone who isn't American. And with Americans, it was mostly about how I supposedly owe something to other people because my skin is white.
  - 0xDEAFBEAD 3mo ago
    Some data suggests that Europe is more racist than the US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/05/racial-tolerance-map-hk-fix.jpg https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/0... Easy to find social media anecdotes supporting that position if you want: https://old.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/comments/17g68zx/pervasive_and_relentless_racism_on_the_rise_in/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/comments/17g68zx/pervasive... I think the main difference between Europe and the US is that European progressives tend to have a lot of national vanity and believe that their country doesn't have racism, regardless of the evidence. US progressives tend to have national self-hatred (the US is one of the world's most self-hating countries, according to polls) and work really hard to find racism everywhere. I see the rise of the far right as fundamentally different in Europe and the US. In Europe it's driven by migrants who don't integrate well. In the US, immigrants typically integrate well, and the far right is fundamentally a reaction to our crazy far left: https://www.imightbewrong.org/p/how-crazy-is-darializa-avila-chevalier https://www.imightbewrong.org/p/how-crazy-is-darializa-avila... The US far right is worried about immigrants because they believe immigrants will vote for far left candidates, even though the data doesn't exactly support that position.
- dheera 3mo ago
  > No dual citizenship at all, most probably no citizenship. Citizenship is basically impossible unless you are born to Chinese parents, but work visas in China are lightyears easier to get than the US H1B shitshow. In China all you need is an employer's invitation and you can more or less get a work visa, especially if it's for a skilled job in science, technology, or finance. > Not going to even mention the obscene difference in racism I'm non-white and I've felt far more racism in the US than China. That isn't to say racism doesn't exist, but it's much less. > OR the language barrier, both of which are enormous factors. Language is not a barrier unless you think it is. The IQ of people in China isn't particularly different than the IQ of people anywhere else in the world. If 1 billion people can learn a language, you can.
fg137 3mo ago
The keywords in the headline are "Nobel laureate". They are superstars in academia and are getting money, resources and convenience that a tenured US professor cannot dream of. These are extremely rare compared to the number of Chinese professors in US universities.
handle584 3mo ago
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dzonga 3mo ago

unfortunately people won't see how bad this is. most of the A.I researchers are already Chinese. now imagine other talented researchers on their way to earn Nobels - they're already in China & other countries but not visible yet. this corrupt US administration fxxked the US in ways that will be felt for decades.

esafak 3mo ago
It's good for dangerous people to be denied resources. Scientists leaving Germany turned the tide. edit: I was not suggesting China was the good side; Europe is least dangerous today.
- LunaSea 3mo ago
  Both sides are dangerous

Levitz 3mo ago

>Whether China is immigration friendly or not is debatable. Compared to the US or Europe? No it's not debatable. No dual citizenship at all, most probably no citizenship. Harder residency. Good luck bringing family there. Not going to even mention the obscene difference in racism OR the language barrier, both of which are enormous factors.

fakedang 3mo ago
I doubt many of the researchers migrating even want Chinese citizenship and the chains that come along with it, so why do most people (presumably Americans) keep harping on and on about it? Once you're invited by the CCP for your exceptional research background, you're literally given an open chequebook for both your personal compensation and your future research endeavors. You're allowed to take your family along with you too, and the language barrier doesn't translate in the professional setting. Racism is a non-issue since I doubt these researchers will even be interacting with elements of that segment of Chinese Han society, unless they choose to.
- Levitz 3mo ago
  >I doubt many of the researchers migrating even want Chinese citizenship and the chains that come along with it, so why do most people (presumably Americans) keep harping on and on about it? Because it's an important matter regarding immigration. If you want to live in a country, you might want to actually be a citizen of that country. Does that need explaining? >Once you're invited by the CCP for your exceptional research background, you're literally given an open chequebook for both your personal compensation and your future research endeavors. None of which is related to immigration. >You're allowed to take your family along with you too, and the language barrier doesn't translate in the professional setting. >Racism is a non-issue since I doubt these researchers will even be interacting with elements of that segment of Chinese Han society, unless they choose to. Are you seriously suggesting that people can literally just not engage at all with the society they live in? This just reads like deeply, deeply delusional reasoning attempting to paint China as a good alternative.
  - godwinson__4-8 3mo ago
    Have you ever lived overseas? Honestly you sound delusional. Do you think the USA makes it easy to become a citizen? Short of that, there is a wide spectrum on how countries treats immigrants. This is the most important factor for people actually living in a place. Acting like the bar for living somewhere is citizenship is nuts. > Are you seriously suggesting that people can literally just not engage at all with the society they live in? This pretty much confirms you have never lived overseas lol. Anyone who has will have met many people that achieve this. Like living anywhere immersing yourself in your surroundings (w/e that means to you) takes extra effort. Most people go overseas to work. It's not playtime. With that comes a built in community. > None of which is related to immigration How is getting money and support to live in a place not related to immigration? Why are you so reactive about something you clearly know nothing about? Because China bad?
    - Levitz 3mo ago
      I have lived abroad, yes. Does the USA make it easy to become a citizen? If the comparison is China, yes, a thousand times yes. Does language and society matter a truckload? Absolutely. >Short of that, there is a wide spectrum on how countries treats immigrants. This is the most important factor for people actually living in a place. Yes. Does China treat immigrants better than the US? As I explained, no. There is no contest. The comparison borders on the absurd. The US is a remarkably flawed country in many aspects, but the vast majority of the stigma around its immigration comes from the fact that it's a matter that the US takes very, very seriously. The bar for living somewhere is not necessarily citizenship but it absolutely is a factor if someone is seriously planning to immigrate somewhere. For an incredibly evident and very current example, the 14th amendment was very recently reaffirmed, with a whole lot of people being horrified it was even thrown into question at all. >How is getting money and support to live in a place not related to immigration? Because any quantity of money beyond a livable wage has barely any relation to integrating people into a culture. A model of immigration based on money is not immigration at all, that's just hiring foreign workers.
neonstatic 3mo ago
> Not going to even mention the obscene difference in racism OR the language barrier, both of which are enormous factors. Language wise, absolutely. Racism-wise, I think you underestimate how wildly racist the US is. As a European, I am still quite shocked. Everything in that country is viewed through the lens of skin color.
- zappb 3mo ago
  Ask a European about Roma people. They are far more racist than the Americans.
  - neonstatic 3mo ago
    I am a European. I don't even remember when was the last time I had a conversation about race with someone who isn't American. And with Americans, it was mostly about how I supposedly owe something to other people because my skin is white.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 3mo ago
  Some data suggests that Europe is more racist than the US: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/05/racial-tolerance-map-hk-fix.jpg https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/files/2013/0... Easy to find social media anecdotes supporting that position if you want: https://old.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/comments/17g68zx/pervasive_and_relentless_racism_on_the_rise_in/ https://old.reddit.com/r/AmerExit/comments/17g68zx/pervasive... I think the main difference between Europe and the US is that European progressives tend to have a lot of national vanity and believe that their country doesn't have racism, regardless of the evidence. US progressives tend to have national self-hatred (the US is one of the world's most self-hating countries, according to polls) and work really hard to find racism everywhere. I see the rise of the far right as fundamentally different in Europe and the US. In Europe it's driven by migrants who don't integrate well. In the US, immigrants typically integrate well, and the far right is fundamentally a reaction to our crazy far left: https://www.imightbewrong.org/p/how-crazy-is-darializa-avila-chevalier https://www.imightbewrong.org/p/how-crazy-is-darializa-avila... The US far right is worried about immigrants because they believe immigrants will vote for far left candidates, even though the data doesn't exactly support that position.
dheera 3mo ago
> No dual citizenship at all, most probably no citizenship. Citizenship is basically impossible unless you are born to Chinese parents, but work visas in China are lightyears easier to get than the US H1B shitshow. In China all you need is an employer's invitation and you can more or less get a work visa, especially if it's for a skilled job in science, technology, or finance. > Not going to even mention the obscene difference in racism I'm non-white and I've felt far more racism in the US than China. That isn't to say racism doesn't exist, but it's much less. > OR the language barrier, both of which are enormous factors. Language is not a barrier unless you think it is. The IQ of people in China isn't particularly different than the IQ of people anywhere else in the world. If 1 billion people can learn a language, you can.

fg137 3mo ago

The keywords in the headline are "Nobel laureate". They are superstars in academia and are getting money, resources and convenience that a tenured US professor cannot dream of. These are extremely rare compared to the number of Chinese professors in US universities.

handle584 3mo ago

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