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> I've heard all of those in testimonies from survivors. You've read the testimonies of those that survived Dresden and Tokyo then? Again, dead is dead, injur

by defrost 4mo ago

> I've heard all of those in testimonies from survivors. You've read the testimonies of those that survived Dresden and Tokyo then? Again, dead is dead, injured by temperatures that melt flesh is the same regardless of heat source. Is there any reason to elevate death by atomic weapon above death by carpet bombing HE's and incendiaries?

voidUpdate 4mo ago
I've not heard testimonies by those survivors, no, but I have heard about a lot of other burn victims and survivors in mass casualty events. How about we both don't have nuclear weapons and also don't carpet bomb people?
- anonymars 4mo ago
  None of the ways of dying in wars sound particularly appealing to me; instant disintegration doesn't sound like the worst of them If we're going to move the goalposts, why don't we just move them to the logical endpoint and proclaim "why don't we just not have wars" Which, by the way, perhaps it's of interest to compare the frequency and severity of war before and after the invention of atomic weapons Anyway, I'd be curious to hear your ethical solution to the trolley problem? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem)
gonzalohm 4mo ago
Hmm yes there are multiple reasons. If you were to survive a nuclear explosion you are probably going to go through a slow and painful death that can go from minutes to years. Depending on how affected you are, you can become literally poisonous to touch. And that's just for people affected by the explosion. Then there are the people that won't be able to go back home because of radiation. That's a different kind of pain. And yes, bombs also can bulldoze cities, but at least you can recover and reconstruct
- MakersF 4mo ago
  You might have watched too much Chernobyl. It's not true that an irradiated person becomes itself radioactive. Once a potential radiation contamination (radioactive dust and material) is cleaned from a person, independently of how much radiation they were exposed to, they don't become radioactive themselves. You can easily look it up online to verify

by defrost 4mo ago

voidUpdate 4mo ago

I've not heard testimonies by those survivors, no, but I have heard about a lot of other burn victims and survivors in mass casualty events. How about we both don't have nuclear weapons and also don't carpet bomb people?

anonymars 4mo ago
None of the ways of dying in wars sound particularly appealing to me; instant disintegration doesn't sound like the worst of them If we're going to move the goalposts, why don't we just move them to the logical endpoint and proclaim "why don't we just not have wars" Which, by the way, perhaps it's of interest to compare the frequency and severity of war before and after the invention of atomic weapons Anyway, I'd be curious to hear your ethical solution to the trolley problem? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem)

gonzalohm 4mo ago

Hmm yes there are multiple reasons. If you were to survive a nuclear explosion you are probably going to go through a slow and painful death that can go from minutes to years. Depending on how affected you are, you can become literally poisonous to touch. And that's just for people affected by the explosion. Then there are the people that won't be able to go back home because of radiation. That's a different kind of pain. And yes, bombs also can bulldoze cities, but at least you can recover and reconstruct

MakersF 4mo ago
You might have watched too much Chernobyl. It's not true that an irradiated person becomes itself radioactive. Once a potential radiation contamination (radioactive dust and material) is cleaned from a person, independently of how much radiation they were exposed to, they don't become radioactive themselves. You can easily look it up online to verify