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I'm happy using Codex for alternative harnesses and non-interactive usage, but it does make me wonder when OpenAI will start to squeeze their customers in the s

by exitb 3mo ago

I'm happy using Codex for alternative harnesses and non-interactive usage, but it does make me wonder when OpenAI will start to squeeze their customers in the same way.

CodingJeebus 3mo ago
Agreed, these types of posts often feel like they're missing the forest for the trees. Sure, migrate away from Claude and maybe that will provide some runway, but all of these companies are built on the same economic fundamentals that do not scale. We are currently in the "$7/mo Netflix with all the good movies" era of AI that will leave and never return.
- jfaat 3mo ago
  That's why I'm switching to open weight models. I'm running models locally, self-hosting and using third party for various things. Like it says in the article each model has its strengths and none of the proprietary harnesses allow you to orchestrate different models depending on their strengths. It's cheaper, more flexible, private, more resistant to rug pulls, and brings back some fun to building for me vs just auto-accept, yell BAD CLAUDE when it breaks, repeat ad nauseam.
- xyzsparetimexyz 3mo ago
  Its more like Netflix being the only service with movies available at 8k, some other options having movies at 4k and then a free option where they're only at 1080p.
- wqaatwt 3mo ago
  Or LLMs become a commodity if open models are ever good enough for > 95% of use cases. The product if fundamentally different than tv-shows or movies since its so interchangeable. Then the cost would end up being deprecation + electric + some low operating margin (i.e. what non SOTA models cost on OpenRouter)
bakies 3mo ago
At the very least the harness will be able to connect to non-OpenAI stuff as soon as the (if) the same thing happens. :) I've already got it hooked up to local models if there's no viable hosted option.
solenoid0937 3mo ago
Of course they will. It'll buy you a few months, but if you want stability your only option is API.
wqaatwt 3mo ago
When they release a model that’s generally considered superior to Opus/Fable and/or start running out of money.

by exitb 3mo ago

I'm happy using Codex for alternative harnesses and non-interactive usage, but it does make me wonder when OpenAI will start to squeeze their customers in the same way.

CodingJeebus 3mo ago

Agreed, these types of posts often feel like they're missing the forest for the trees. Sure, migrate away from Claude and maybe that will provide some runway, but all of these companies are built on the same economic fundamentals that do not scale. We are currently in the "$7/mo Netflix with all the good movies" era of AI that will leave and never return.

jfaat 3mo ago
That's why I'm switching to open weight models. I'm running models locally, self-hosting and using third party for various things. Like it says in the article each model has its strengths and none of the proprietary harnesses allow you to orchestrate different models depending on their strengths. It's cheaper, more flexible, private, more resistant to rug pulls, and brings back some fun to building for me vs just auto-accept, yell BAD CLAUDE when it breaks, repeat ad nauseam.
xyzsparetimexyz 3mo ago
Its more like Netflix being the only service with movies available at 8k, some other options having movies at 4k and then a free option where they're only at 1080p.
wqaatwt 3mo ago
Or LLMs become a commodity if open models are ever good enough for > 95% of use cases. The product if fundamentally different than tv-shows or movies since its so interchangeable. Then the cost would end up being deprecation + electric + some low operating margin (i.e. what non SOTA models cost on OpenRouter)

bakies 3mo ago

At the very least the harness will be able to connect to non-OpenAI stuff as soon as the (if) the same thing happens. :) I've already got it hooked up to local models if there's no viable hosted option.

solenoid0937 3mo ago

Of course they will. It'll buy you a few months, but if you want stability your only option is API.

wqaatwt 3mo ago

When they release a model that’s generally considered superior to Opus/Fable and/or start running out of money.