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> this reflects an aspect of American culture that you can’t just erase. Yeah, and that’s the problem. A whole country full of people belligerent enough to say

> this reflects an aspect of American culture that you can’t just erase. Yeah, and that’s the problem. A whole country full of people belligerent enough to say “fuck you” to anyone who tells them “hey you probably shouldn’t blow your hand off”. What a wonderful place.

jimmaswell 3mo ago
Beats the pants off "please sir, may I have some more" as seen in many other places
- nearlyepic 3mo ago
  Nah, I’d rather beg for money than be run over by some dipshit driving a truck on swampers that’s 3 times as big as they’ll ever need. Oh, wait, in other countries you don’t have to beg and plead to receive healthcare.
helterskelter 3mo ago
I'm fine with idiots blowing their own hands off, I just worry about wildfires.
- fweimer 3mo ago
  It's still bad for emergency services if everyone does it on the same day.
  - rbanffy 3mo ago
    They’ll just run triage and tend to people who are easier to fix first and leave the more suicidal ones for later.
- igleria 3mo ago
  that is until you can't have a hospital bed due to those idiots.
  - account42 3mo ago
    That has more to do with hospitals hyper-optimizing for profit. And a regular demand actually improves the situation here.
  - _heimdall 3mo ago
    Is that the line for regulations you're okay with holding on to? If so you better start regulating how many beds each hospital has as well, if bed demand is the bar you must control bed supply.
    - master-lincoln 3mo ago
      of course in Germany hospital bed supplies are regulated by the local states via LKHG law
      - rbanffy 3mo ago
        As is any rationally run state.
        _heimdall 3mo ago
        Is your point that the only rational model includes the government having fill control over healthcare and the medical industry?
        rbanffy 3mo ago
        Yes. I am. Government is democratically elected by the people, therefore, they are the ones that can make decisions for the people.
        _heimdall 3mo ago
        Why healthcare specifically, and where so you draw the line? Are you okay with democratically elected officials making any decision for the people as they see fit?
chopin 3mo ago
But this is none of your business. I live in Germany, where everything is regulated by well meaning people. Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. It is hellish. I don't recognize the country any more in which I was born and raised.
- nearlyepic 3mo ago
  > But this is none of your business. The culture described extends far into things that are my business, like being able to walk around without being shot.
  - chopin 3mo ago
    I was referring to"hey you probably shouldn’t blow your hand off”. I am not against regulations per se, I am German after all. But a sane discussion should be had how far this should go. Regulating things which are dangerous to the person taking a risk knowingly is over the top in my book.
- sdoering 3mo ago
  > Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. Native born German. Calling BS on that crap. I recommend reading up on "freedom from" vs. "freedom to". Explains quite a lot of differences between the European tradition of ensuring people are "free from" an potentially oppressive state vs. the US tradition of "freedom to". In each "freedom of speech" index I know, Germany fares better than the US, or Britain, or Australia. Or quite a lot of different countries tbh. RSF World Press (lower is better): - Germany 14/180 - Britain 18/180 - Australia 33/180 - USA 64/180 Freedom House (higher is better): - Germany 95/100 - Britain 92/100 - Australia 95/100 - USA 84/100 Edit: Typo
  - tick_tock_tick 3mo ago
    No one actually believes their BS and I doubt you actually do either. They use so many bullshit and mental gymnastics to "score" Germany well despite their appalling "free speech" laws. I think it's very fair to say anyone appealing to either of these index's isn't even attempting to argue in good faith.
warumdarum 3mo ago
It is, yes it is. You should leave immediately if you dislike what you found.
- megous 3mo ago
  Americans are always funny,... being proud they can have one day a year where they can breath a highly toxic air created by others or are forced not to ventilate their house and spend their day with a >2000ppm CO2 headache/drowsiness (or from the other PoV, proud they can inflict this on fellow Americans, even better). "And if you don't like this, you can just git out!" All the while they're stripped of dignity in the eyes of people abroad, by their aggressive/genocidal government's foreign policy actions.
- nearlyepic 3mo ago
  Aren’t people on this website supposed to be like, smart? If I wanted someone to tell me “if you don’t like it leave it” as if it’s an actual position worth arguing I could just go to the bar.
kypro 3mo ago
It's funny because I read the parent comment and thought that was actually kinda cool. Lots of things we do are really stupid from a purely productivity, health or safety perspective. American's were probably wrong to oppose alcohol prohibition. They probably should ban motorbikes. Fireworks should be largely banned to members of the public. Pizza should be illegal. Etc.. Part of what makes a country a place you'd want to live is the fact they don't create an excess of rules and regulations to optimise for what's best on paper, but allow people to do stupid things and allow them to live the life they want to live and take the risks they want to take where risks are not too excessive. Commercial fireworks are dangerous, but not that dangerous. It's inadvisable that someone would use them without proper safety training, and it probably makes sense to have some rules around selling them to try to limit use, but in reality this just isn't a big problem. Obviously people who live on flight paths should be more careful.
- ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
  Rules come from lawsuits. When you can get sued, safety fences get put up, quite quickly. America has very aggressive lawyers. We live in a country, where being stupid, can be financially rewarding.
  - ryandrake 3mo ago
    The threat of getting sued only motivates people with something to lose. If we let lawsuits largely drive what the rules are, how do you govern people who are so poor they are "judgement-proof."
    - ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
      True, but this is how it actually works, in the US. Lots of stuff is not anywhere close to ideal, but it is what it is. people refusing to understand that, doesn't help. Change usually comes from people who first, understand and accept, then they know what to do, to actually make change, as opposed to tilting at windmills.
axus 3mo ago
Comes in handy when the government agents are rounding up your neighbors. Except when they direct that energy at the neighbors instead of the government agents.
- mekdoonggi 3mo ago
  In my experience, the cycling and native-plant gardening types of Minneapolis are the ones ready to throw the tear gas cans back, and the fireworks-loving Texans are salivating over the boots.
- nearlyepic 3mo ago
  No it doesn’t. The reactionary people are the ones cheering on the people doing the rounding, as long as it’s against people they don’t like. That’s the problem with the mindset - if it was genuinely anarchistic it would be better. Instead, it’s just privileged and focused on creating an out group.
Scroll_Swe 3mo ago
No, the issue is migrants. Now vs 80s and the 90s.

jimmaswell 3mo ago

Beats the pants off "please sir, may I have some more" as seen in many other places

nearlyepic 3mo ago
Nah, I’d rather beg for money than be run over by some dipshit driving a truck on swampers that’s 3 times as big as they’ll ever need. Oh, wait, in other countries you don’t have to beg and plead to receive healthcare.

helterskelter 3mo ago

I'm fine with idiots blowing their own hands off, I just worry about wildfires.

fweimer 3mo ago
It's still bad for emergency services if everyone does it on the same day.
- rbanffy 3mo ago
  They’ll just run triage and tend to people who are easier to fix first and leave the more suicidal ones for later.
igleria 3mo ago
that is until you can't have a hospital bed due to those idiots.
- account42 3mo ago
  That has more to do with hospitals hyper-optimizing for profit. And a regular demand actually improves the situation here.
- _heimdall 3mo ago
  Is that the line for regulations you're okay with holding on to? If so you better start regulating how many beds each hospital has as well, if bed demand is the bar you must control bed supply.
  - master-lincoln 3mo ago
    of course in Germany hospital bed supplies are regulated by the local states via LKHG law
    - rbanffy 3mo ago
      As is any rationally run state.
      - _heimdall 3mo ago
        Is your point that the only rational model includes the government having fill control over healthcare and the medical industry?
        rbanffy 3mo ago
        Yes. I am. Government is democratically elected by the people, therefore, they are the ones that can make decisions for the people.
        _heimdall 3mo ago
        Why healthcare specifically, and where so you draw the line? Are you okay with democratically elected officials making any decision for the people as they see fit?

chopin 3mo ago

But this is none of your business. I live in Germany, where everything is regulated by well meaning people. Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. It is hellish. I don't recognize the country any more in which I was born and raised.

nearlyepic 3mo ago
> But this is none of your business. The culture described extends far into things that are my business, like being able to walk around without being shot.
- chopin 3mo ago
  I was referring to"hey you probably shouldn’t blow your hand off”. I am not against regulations per se, I am German after all. But a sane discussion should be had how far this should go. Regulating things which are dangerous to the person taking a risk knowingly is over the top in my book.
sdoering 3mo ago
> Going so far to regulate what you ought to say or to watch. Native born German. Calling BS on that crap. I recommend reading up on "freedom from" vs. "freedom to". Explains quite a lot of differences between the European tradition of ensuring people are "free from" an potentially oppressive state vs. the US tradition of "freedom to". In each "freedom of speech" index I know, Germany fares better than the US, or Britain, or Australia. Or quite a lot of different countries tbh. RSF World Press (lower is better): - Germany 14/180 - Britain 18/180 - Australia 33/180 - USA 64/180 Freedom House (higher is better): - Germany 95/100 - Britain 92/100 - Australia 95/100 - USA 84/100 Edit: Typo
- tick_tock_tick 3mo ago
  No one actually believes their BS and I doubt you actually do either. They use so many bullshit and mental gymnastics to "score" Germany well despite their appalling "free speech" laws. I think it's very fair to say anyone appealing to either of these index's isn't even attempting to argue in good faith.

warumdarum 3mo ago

It is, yes it is. You should leave immediately if you dislike what you found.

megous 3mo ago
Americans are always funny,... being proud they can have one day a year where they can breath a highly toxic air created by others or are forced not to ventilate their house and spend their day with a >2000ppm CO2 headache/drowsiness (or from the other PoV, proud they can inflict this on fellow Americans, even better). "And if you don't like this, you can just git out!" All the while they're stripped of dignity in the eyes of people abroad, by their aggressive/genocidal government's foreign policy actions.
nearlyepic 3mo ago
Aren’t people on this website supposed to be like, smart? If I wanted someone to tell me “if you don’t like it leave it” as if it’s an actual position worth arguing I could just go to the bar.

kypro 3mo ago

It's funny because I read the parent comment and thought that was actually kinda cool. Lots of things we do are really stupid from a purely productivity, health or safety perspective. American's were probably wrong to oppose alcohol prohibition. They probably should ban motorbikes. Fireworks should be largely banned to members of the public. Pizza should be illegal. Etc.. Part of what makes a country a place you'd want to live is the fact they don't create an excess of rules and regulations to optimise for what's best on paper, but allow people to do stupid things and allow them to live the life they want to live and take the risks they want to take where risks are not too excessive. Commercial fireworks are dangerous, but not that dangerous. It's inadvisable that someone would use them without proper safety training, and it probably makes sense to have some rules around selling them to try to limit use, but in reality this just isn't a big problem. Obviously people who live on flight paths should be more careful.

ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
Rules come from lawsuits. When you can get sued, safety fences get put up, quite quickly. America has very aggressive lawyers. We live in a country, where being stupid, can be financially rewarding.
- ryandrake 3mo ago
  The threat of getting sued only motivates people with something to lose. If we let lawsuits largely drive what the rules are, how do you govern people who are so poor they are "judgement-proof."
  - ChrisMarshallNY 3mo ago
    True, but this is how it actually works, in the US. Lots of stuff is not anywhere close to ideal, but it is what it is. people refusing to understand that, doesn't help. Change usually comes from people who first, understand and accept, then they know what to do, to actually make change, as opposed to tilting at windmills.

axus 3mo ago

Comes in handy when the government agents are rounding up your neighbors. Except when they direct that energy at the neighbors instead of the government agents.

mekdoonggi 3mo ago
In my experience, the cycling and native-plant gardening types of Minneapolis are the ones ready to throw the tear gas cans back, and the fireworks-loving Texans are salivating over the boots.
nearlyepic 3mo ago
No it doesn’t. The reactionary people are the ones cheering on the people doing the rounding, as long as it’s against people they don’t like. That’s the problem with the mindset - if it was genuinely anarchistic it would be better. Instead, it’s just privileged and focused on creating an out group.

Scroll_Swe 3mo ago

No, the issue is migrants. Now vs 80s and the 90s.