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The black PR has been very effective. I own an EV and the first question I always get from non-EV people when they find out is "…but what about the range, isn't

by jwr 3mo ago

The black PR has been very effective. I own an EV and the first question I always get from non-EV people when they find out is "…but what about the range, isn't that a problem?", while the second one is invariably "but what about the battery, I heard it only lasts a year or two and it's so expensive to replace!". The myths are now strong and it will indeed take a long time to dispel them.

memoriyato3 3mo ago
the propaganda works because we are all familiar with the smartphone battery degradation after 2 years, so it seems logical that same thing will happen with car batteries
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > we are all familiar with the smartphone battery degradation after 2 years I haven’t experienced this for years.
  - antisthenes 3mo ago
    It was very common in the 2012-2018 era. Batteries have gotten larger (less cycles) and better (sustain more cycles before losing capacity) since then. Also phones don't have the same sophisticated circuitry or devices as a car to keep batteries in an optimal state, e.g. Nissan Leaf gen 1, which had significant range losses (on top of having a small range to begin with).
- everfrustrated 3mo ago
  This is very true. There's also a habit where people are reluctant to get their vehicles batteries low as well. Folks seem reluctant to get below 20%. I think it comes from learned behavior from smartphones. I will happily arrive at a supercharger with 1%.
oliwarner 3mo ago
I mean, we have an EV and you do have to think about range if you're going over 100mi away and time is tight (eg you have young children, appointments, etc) When I can throw 100mi into my car in 5 minutes without having to do backflips to get the charger to start, or drive out of my way to specific chargers, and not pay 20 times the market electricity rate... Then people will stop worrying about it. I do think we'll get there with new EVs (800V platforms look amazing), but it's not going to be retroactive. There are lots of EVs in used circulation where range will be a conscious consideration for another decade or two. The early generation Nissan Leafs (no battery cooling) did most of the work to tar EVs longevity. It's not propaganda. They were shit.
- jml78 3mo ago
  I am confused by your comment. Any EV with a 250+ mile range and your scenario is moot. You just go. Had an EV since 2018, range is never a concern. My only concern is that traditional American car manufacturers still suck at making EVs.
  - oliwarner 3mo ago
    > Any EV... Well if you're going to limit the universe to a set of cars that can drive far enough. Sure, new premium EVs bring far less range anxiety. Used, budget EVs have both longevity and range issues. Used, budget ICE vehicles do not. It's important to remember that the market isn't just $50k+ vehicles. And cars on the limit cause the most hand-wringing. Did you plug in last night? Do we stop early or at a meal time? You plan your day around it. It's not insurmountable but it exists.

by jwr 3mo ago

memoriyato3 3mo ago

the propaganda works because we are all familiar with the smartphone battery degradation after 2 years, so it seems logical that same thing will happen with car batteries

JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> we are all familiar with the smartphone battery degradation after 2 years I haven’t experienced this for years.
- antisthenes 3mo ago
  It was very common in the 2012-2018 era. Batteries have gotten larger (less cycles) and better (sustain more cycles before losing capacity) since then. Also phones don't have the same sophisticated circuitry or devices as a car to keep batteries in an optimal state, e.g. Nissan Leaf gen 1, which had significant range losses (on top of having a small range to begin with).
everfrustrated 3mo ago
This is very true. There's also a habit where people are reluctant to get their vehicles batteries low as well. Folks seem reluctant to get below 20%. I think it comes from learned behavior from smartphones. I will happily arrive at a supercharger with 1%.

oliwarner 3mo ago

I mean, we have an EV and you do have to think about range if you're going over 100mi away and time is tight (eg you have young children, appointments, etc) When I can throw 100mi into my car in 5 minutes without having to do backflips to get the charger to start, or drive out of my way to specific chargers, and not pay 20 times the market electricity rate... Then people will stop worrying about it. I do think we'll get there with new EVs (800V platforms look amazing), but it's not going to be retroactive. There are lots of EVs in used circulation where range will be a conscious consideration for another decade or two. The early generation Nissan Leafs (no battery cooling) did most of the work to tar EVs longevity. It's not propaganda. They were shit.

jml78 3mo ago
I am confused by your comment. Any EV with a 250+ mile range and your scenario is moot. You just go. Had an EV since 2018, range is never a concern. My only concern is that traditional American car manufacturers still suck at making EVs.
- oliwarner 3mo ago
  > Any EV... Well if you're going to limit the universe to a set of cars that can drive far enough. Sure, new premium EVs bring far less range anxiety. Used, budget EVs have both longevity and range issues. Used, budget ICE vehicles do not. It's important to remember that the market isn't just $50k+ vehicles. And cars on the limit cause the most hand-wringing. Did you plug in last night? Do we stop early or at a meal time? You plan your day around it. It's not insurmountable but it exists.