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Kramnik is an asshole and this action is far too little far too late. His actions have possibly already led to the loss of a life. At the same time, FIDE also

Kramnik is an asshole and this action is far too little far too late. His actions have possibly already led to the loss of a life. At the same time, FIDE also needs to look back at the behavior of some of the most powerful people in the sport in the whole Hans saga. What Hans was put through was ridiculous even if all the allegations were true, given how many actions were simply the result of the most powerful player in the sport throwing his weight around. I’m not a fan of Hans but I absolutely admire how he managed to continue and grow his career despite the top 2 biggest individuals in the sport, and a whole other set of powerbrokers (for example, the wealthiest tournament in the Sinquefeld cup) teaming up to destroy his career.

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zmgsabst 3mo ago
Hans did plenty to damage his own career - eg, his 2024 ban for trashing a hotel room.
- traes 3mo ago
  This is true, but the crushing response to this scandal is clearly disproportionate. Millions of views on videos making crude sexual jokes about a 19 year old is already an incredibly unfortunate situation, and his career got completely halted for years due to (what are now clearly) false accusations.
  - alex1138 3mo ago
    It should also be said Niemann has also had incredibly good results since the whole thing So it casts doubt on what Magnus said somewhat (Of course, on Rogan, I think, Magnus defended the allegations. And of course he's world's strongest player for a reason. Other young players have beaten himm before such as Esipenko and he never said anything like that)
    - traes 3mo ago
      I didn't watch it myself, but there was a recent Netflix documentary on the subject where Magnus claims he was misled by chess.com into believing that they had more concrete evidence than they did.
g42gregory 3mo ago
For those of us who have no idea who this guy is and what he said, what did he do? Did he say something unapproved?
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- WJW 3mo ago
  Do you mean Kramnik or Hans Niemann? Kramnik ((ab)using his status as a former world champion) accused several other top level players to the point that one of them committed suicide. Niemann allegedly cheated (In my personal opinion as a decently rated but certainly not elite chess player, he probably did cheat in this particular game, though proof was never given and probably never will) at a high level chess tournament and was ostracized by the chess community for a while. He has since rejoined and continues to play at a high level.
  - searealist 3mo ago
    > Kramnik ((ab)using his status as a former world champion) accused several other top level players to the point that one of them committed suicide. There is no evidence of suicide, and he had multiple drugs in his system when he died. > he probably did cheat in this particular game This is a fringe opinion at this point in time, even though it was obvious he did not cheat on day 1.
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    - mschuster91 3mo ago
      > There is no evidence of suicide, and he had multiple drugs in his system when he died. Polyintoxication is nasty because after the fact, you can't tell if someone underestimated the effects of the drugs or knew about them and used it to guarantee death.
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t0mpr1c3 3mo ago
Hans admitted to cheating. It's no wonder his career suffered. Incidentally, he is also a complete asshole.
- searealist 3mo ago
  Sindorov, who won the candidates, and will be playing for the world championship, has also had accounts banned on chess.com for (presumably) cheating as a teenager. Do you think it would be ok if a large part of the chess world conspired to keep him out of tournaments. Do you think it would be ok if the world made jokes that he cheated using a sex toy? Do you think it would be ok for the largest youtube chess channel (GothamChess) to publish a video titled "Chess cheating device" featuring a thumbnail showing his face next to a butt plug? And all this while he was 19? What happened to Hans is FAR worse than anything Kramnik did. But maybe you think it's ok because you find him to be an asshole?
  - jamespo 3mo ago
    Maybe they are both assholes
  - ball_of_lint 3mo ago
    Daniel Naroditsky is dead
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- adjejmxbdjdn 3mo ago
  The only cheating Hans admitted to and the only cheating proven were two (maybe 3?) online non monetary games when he was under 15 years old. Pretty much every player has done something like that. But again, he was blacklisted before any of even these marginal allegations were proven. And the actual allegations Magnus accused him of and that followed him for years has absolutely no evidence other than Magnus not accepting that Hans could beat him in a highly controlled over the table game. Also, he continued to be punished in ways that are outside the actual punishment that was given to him that are not official but are being done through winks and nods between Carlsen and Hikaru and tournament organizers who don’t want to upset them.

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zmgsabst 3mo ago

Hans did plenty to damage his own career - eg, his 2024 ban for trashing a hotel room.

traes 3mo ago
This is true, but the crushing response to this scandal is clearly disproportionate. Millions of views on videos making crude sexual jokes about a 19 year old is already an incredibly unfortunate situation, and his career got completely halted for years due to (what are now clearly) false accusations.
- alex1138 3mo ago
  It should also be said Niemann has also had incredibly good results since the whole thing So it casts doubt on what Magnus said somewhat (Of course, on Rogan, I think, Magnus defended the allegations. And of course he's world's strongest player for a reason. Other young players have beaten himm before such as Esipenko and he never said anything like that)
  - traes 3mo ago
    I didn't watch it myself, but there was a recent Netflix documentary on the subject where Magnus claims he was misled by chess.com into believing that they had more concrete evidence than they did.

g42gregory 3mo ago

For those of us who have no idea who this guy is and what he said, what did he do? Did he say something unapproved?

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WJW 3mo ago
Do you mean Kramnik or Hans Niemann? Kramnik ((ab)using his status as a former world champion) accused several other top level players to the point that one of them committed suicide. Niemann allegedly cheated (In my personal opinion as a decently rated but certainly not elite chess player, he probably did cheat in this particular game, though proof was never given and probably never will) at a high level chess tournament and was ostracized by the chess community for a while. He has since rejoined and continues to play at a high level.
- searealist 3mo ago
  > Kramnik ((ab)using his status as a former world champion) accused several other top level players to the point that one of them committed suicide. There is no evidence of suicide, and he had multiple drugs in his system when he died. > he probably did cheat in this particular game This is a fringe opinion at this point in time, even though it was obvious he did not cheat on day 1.
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  - mschuster91 3mo ago
    > There is no evidence of suicide, and he had multiple drugs in his system when he died. Polyintoxication is nasty because after the fact, you can't tell if someone underestimated the effects of the drugs or knew about them and used it to guarantee death.

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t0mpr1c3 3mo ago

Hans admitted to cheating. It's no wonder his career suffered. Incidentally, he is also a complete asshole.

searealist 3mo ago
Sindorov, who won the candidates, and will be playing for the world championship, has also had accounts banned on chess.com for (presumably) cheating as a teenager. Do you think it would be ok if a large part of the chess world conspired to keep him out of tournaments. Do you think it would be ok if the world made jokes that he cheated using a sex toy? Do you think it would be ok for the largest youtube chess channel (GothamChess) to publish a video titled "Chess cheating device" featuring a thumbnail showing his face next to a butt plug? And all this while he was 19? What happened to Hans is FAR worse than anything Kramnik did. But maybe you think it's ok because you find him to be an asshole?
- jamespo 3mo ago
  Maybe they are both assholes
- ball_of_lint 3mo ago
  Daniel Naroditsky is dead
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adjejmxbdjdn 3mo ago
The only cheating Hans admitted to and the only cheating proven were two (maybe 3?) online non monetary games when he was under 15 years old. Pretty much every player has done something like that. But again, he was blacklisted before any of even these marginal allegations were proven. And the actual allegations Magnus accused him of and that followed him for years has absolutely no evidence other than Magnus not accepting that Hans could beat him in a highly controlled over the table game. Also, he continued to be punished in ways that are outside the actual punishment that was given to him that are not official but are being done through winks and nods between Carlsen and Hikaru and tournament organizers who don’t want to upset them.