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Married couple killed in first known fatal Tesla Semi crash

18 points by FireBeyond 3mo ago

code_naked 3mo ago
The Electrek article referenced is a better link: https://electrek.co/2026/07/01/tesla-semi-first-fatal-crash-nevada/ https://electrek.co/2026/07/01/tesla-semi-first-fatal-crash-... Either way, the interesting bit is: The reported cause — a driver falling asleep — puts the focus on the truck’s safety systems, not any self-driving software.
- cyanydeez 3mo ago
  which, of course, is bullshit. "self-driving" excludes the intervention of a person. The state of a person during "self-driving" should be meaningless. If it is meaningful, then it's not "self-driving"
  - cwillu 3mo ago
    “It’s also important to be precise about what this is and isn’t. This was not an autonomous driving crash. Tesla does not offer Full Self-Driving on the Semi — it’s still test-fleet hardware, spotted validating sensors in California just days earlier — so the driver was likely in full manual control. A driver falling asleep is a human-fatigue failure, not a software one, and anyone folding this into the FSD debate is confusing the story.”
    - ZeroGravitas 3mo ago
      There are software systems that deal with the consequences of driver incapacity that are not "full self driving".
      - deleted 3mo ago
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      - cwillu 3mo ago
        And talking about that is proper, but the gp is going on about self-driving, which is exactly the sort “confusing the story” that the quote is talking about. The software systems that deal with driver incapacity are precisely “puts the focus on the truck’s safety systems” that the gp said was a bullshit claim.
malcolmgreaves 3mo ago
This story is so unbelievably sad! > That leaves the question of automatic emergency braking: why didn’t the truck slow or stop itself before hitting stationary vehicles at a lit intersection? AEB is designed for exactly this scenario — it detects vehicles or obstacles in the truck’s path and applies the brakes when a collision is imminent, regardless of driver input. Most modern Class 8 trucks are already equipped with collision-mitigation systems from suppliers like Bendix and Detroit Assurance So Tesla made a decision to make their semi less safe than the average for the vehicle class. They could have had basic safety equipment, but they wanted to save a buck. Now two people are dead and another is almost dead. This is gross negligence on the Tesla semi truck’s engineering team and the executive leadership.
- dlcarrier 3mo ago
  It has the feature; but it failed to function. The design wasn't cheap, it was incompetent.
dlcarrier 3mo ago
When they're pronounced dead at the scene, you know it's bad. That only happens with what the NTSB calls "injuries incompatible with life", which is right up there with "controlled flight into terrain" as one of the NTSBs top morbid euphemisms.
- FireBeyond 3mo ago
  In our EMS system, there are a few situations in which BLS providers (EMTs, without access to an ECG) are allowed to declare someone dead in the field (note, coroner, police, etc., may still be involved, and they're not signing the death notice)... "Body position incompatible with life" is one. (For the morbidly curious, the others are: rigor mortis, livor mortis (lividity), decapitation, incineration, decomposition, evisceration of brain and/or heart.) And in the setting of traumatic arrest (generally not considered survivable because it often implies massive internal blood loss), also: "obvious, devastating blunt or penetrating trauma to the head and is pulseless and apneic after opening airway", and "severe blunt or penetrating trauma and remains pulseless and apneic after the performance of all appropriate prehospital life-saving interventions for potentially reversible causes, including but not limited to, definitive airway management, external hemorrhage control, definitive chest decompression, and pericardiocentesis."
  - dlcarrier 3mo ago
    That's an interesting use of "position". I suppose if your heading isn't directly on top of and attached to your neck, and at least somewhat facing forward, that's a body position.
cwillu 3mo ago
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18 points by FireBeyond 3mo ago

The Electrek article referenced is a better link: https://electrek.co/2026/07/01/tesla-semi-first-fatal-crash-nevada/ https://electrek.co/2026/07/01/tesla-semi-first-fatal-crash-... Either way, the interesting bit is: The reported cause — a driver falling asleep — puts the focus on the truck’s safety systems, not any self-driving software.

cyanydeez 3mo ago
which, of course, is bullshit. "self-driving" excludes the intervention of a person. The state of a person during "self-driving" should be meaningless. If it is meaningful, then it's not "self-driving"
- cwillu 3mo ago
  “It’s also important to be precise about what this is and isn’t. This was not an autonomous driving crash. Tesla does not offer Full Self-Driving on the Semi — it’s still test-fleet hardware, spotted validating sensors in California just days earlier — so the driver was likely in full manual control. A driver falling asleep is a human-fatigue failure, not a software one, and anyone folding this into the FSD debate is confusing the story.”
  - ZeroGravitas 3mo ago
    There are software systems that deal with the consequences of driver incapacity that are not "full self driving".
    - deleted 3mo ago
      [deleted]
    - cwillu 3mo ago
      And talking about that is proper, but the gp is going on about self-driving, which is exactly the sort “confusing the story” that the quote is talking about. The software systems that deal with driver incapacity are precisely “puts the focus on the truck’s safety systems” that the gp said was a bullshit claim.

malcolmgreaves 3mo ago

This story is so unbelievably sad! > That leaves the question of automatic emergency braking: why didn’t the truck slow or stop itself before hitting stationary vehicles at a lit intersection? AEB is designed for exactly this scenario — it detects vehicles or obstacles in the truck’s path and applies the brakes when a collision is imminent, regardless of driver input. Most modern Class 8 trucks are already equipped with collision-mitigation systems from suppliers like Bendix and Detroit Assurance So Tesla made a decision to make their semi less safe than the average for the vehicle class. They could have had basic safety equipment, but they wanted to save a buck. Now two people are dead and another is almost dead. This is gross negligence on the Tesla semi truck’s engineering team and the executive leadership.

dlcarrier 3mo ago
It has the feature; but it failed to function. The design wasn't cheap, it was incompetent.

dlcarrier 3mo ago

When they're pronounced dead at the scene, you know it's bad. That only happens with what the NTSB calls "injuries incompatible with life", which is right up there with "controlled flight into terrain" as one of the NTSBs top morbid euphemisms.

FireBeyond 3mo ago
In our EMS system, there are a few situations in which BLS providers (EMTs, without access to an ECG) are allowed to declare someone dead in the field (note, coroner, police, etc., may still be involved, and they're not signing the death notice)... "Body position incompatible with life" is one. (For the morbidly curious, the others are: rigor mortis, livor mortis (lividity), decapitation, incineration, decomposition, evisceration of brain and/or heart.) And in the setting of traumatic arrest (generally not considered survivable because it often implies massive internal blood loss), also: "obvious, devastating blunt or penetrating trauma to the head and is pulseless and apneic after opening airway", and "severe blunt or penetrating trauma and remains pulseless and apneic after the performance of all appropriate prehospital life-saving interventions for potentially reversible causes, including but not limited to, definitive airway management, external hemorrhage control, definitive chest decompression, and pericardiocentesis."
- dlcarrier 3mo ago
  That's an interesting use of "position". I suppose if your heading isn't directly on top of and attached to your neck, and at least somewhat facing forward, that's a body position.

cwillu 3mo ago

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