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Tele-operation through a video feed(?) inside my home. Yeah that sounds pretty creepy

arcticbull 3mo ago
If I wanted someone taking a look at all the stuff in my home, I'd just pay a cleaner here instead of one behind a desk in what I assume is a low-labor-cost locale. For $50/hr I can have them come in every day for 160 days, and they can manage stairs.
- BobbyTables2 3mo ago
  They’re also much less likely to film their activities and upload it to the Internet…
  - amelius 3mo ago
    And store it in a large database with eternal retention.
    - b112 3mo ago
      But... but... it's just for training AI!
- bobbylarrybobby 3mo ago
  Paying for someone to clean your house? Thats so last year. Why an AI company cleaned my New York City apartment for free https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpwerjy20kyo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpwerjy20kyo
  - arcticbull 3mo ago
    > However, Kilic said Shift was "the most honest platform by far regarding what happens to your data". Good good
- altmanaltman 3mo ago
  Except these ai fucks are trying to put cameras on all such labor to train future world models and businesses are okay with it since they get paid for doing nothing extra. So yeah they can manage stairs but they might also be recording everything they do
  - bonestamp2 3mo ago
    Use an independent cleaner. My cleaning lady is a great cleaner, but she can barely manage her cellphone, so she's not training AIs.
    - oneneptune 3mo ago
      All the independent cleaner's I could find wanted $400 a week to clean. I've tried 2 different cleaners and fired them both after 4 weeks. They only spend about ~3 hours here a week, so I'm paying over $130/hr... and they didn't even do that great of a job. I guess I should try a third? This robot is tempting though.
  - taffydavid 3mo ago
    "I won't let a human clean my house because AI companies might be paying them to help train future housework robots" is some nuclear grade paranoia.
throwitaway222 3mo ago
Can you imagine all the customer support calls asking why it keeps showing up next to the shower?
piokoch 3mo ago
Think of 90 y.o. lonely people who can't care less about some company seeing the interior of their house. Surely, it is a risk, but being without any help and assistance.
- Peanuts99 3mo ago
  Most 90 year old lonely people would probably benefit more from an actual human carer than some clanker that can't do stairs, any kind of mobility assistance and can't even make them a cup of tea.
  - theplumber 3mo ago
    Yeah but that’s more expensive
steveBK123 3mo ago
It'll be about a week before the first reported incident of some operator sending it into bathroom/bedroom while occupied to watch.
- alfiedotwtf 3mo ago
  ... and under an hour before the first phone camera recording hits twitter
- Schiendelman 3mo ago
  I am sure one of these companies will fuck up and do that. But for the most part, that kind of problem is pretty easy to avoid. Any company using computer vision knows that now, and has high standards of operation (usually by contracting with companies that then have that incentive) to stop that from happening.
  - steveBK123 3mo ago
    Correct - they sub it out to a sub who subs it out to a sub who... Therefore the responsibility is always 5 steps removed
    - Schiendelman 3mo ago
      I get that it's funny, but that's almost never true. And the business risk is on the robotics company. That's why I'm saying maybe somewhere it happens once, but it's just like safety and Uber drivers, the scrutiny on the brand causes really good incentives. Uber is way way safer than taxis ever were, or are. Women even drive for Uber - they could never have been safe driving taxis.

If I wanted someone taking a look at all the stuff in my home, I'd just pay a cleaner here instead of one behind a desk in what I assume is a low-labor-cost locale. For $50/hr I can have them come in every day for 160 days, and they can manage stairs.

BobbyTables2 3mo ago
They’re also much less likely to film their activities and upload it to the Internet…
- amelius 3mo ago
  And store it in a large database with eternal retention.
  - b112 3mo ago
    But... but... it's just for training AI!
bobbylarrybobby 3mo ago
Paying for someone to clean your house? Thats so last year. Why an AI company cleaned my New York City apartment for free https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpwerjy20kyo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpwerjy20kyo
- arcticbull 3mo ago
  > However, Kilic said Shift was "the most honest platform by far regarding what happens to your data". Good good
altmanaltman 3mo ago
Except these ai fucks are trying to put cameras on all such labor to train future world models and businesses are okay with it since they get paid for doing nothing extra. So yeah they can manage stairs but they might also be recording everything they do
- bonestamp2 3mo ago
  Use an independent cleaner. My cleaning lady is a great cleaner, but she can barely manage her cellphone, so she's not training AIs.
  - oneneptune 3mo ago
    All the independent cleaner's I could find wanted $400 a week to clean. I've tried 2 different cleaners and fired them both after 4 weeks. They only spend about ~3 hours here a week, so I'm paying over $130/hr... and they didn't even do that great of a job. I guess I should try a third? This robot is tempting though.
- taffydavid 3mo ago
  "I won't let a human clean my house because AI companies might be paying them to help train future housework robots" is some nuclear grade paranoia.

throwitaway222 3mo ago

Can you imagine all the customer support calls asking why it keeps showing up next to the shower?

piokoch 3mo ago

Think of 90 y.o. lonely people who can't care less about some company seeing the interior of their house. Surely, it is a risk, but being without any help and assistance.

Peanuts99 3mo ago
Most 90 year old lonely people would probably benefit more from an actual human carer than some clanker that can't do stairs, any kind of mobility assistance and can't even make them a cup of tea.
- theplumber 3mo ago
  Yeah but that’s more expensive

steveBK123 3mo ago

It'll be about a week before the first reported incident of some operator sending it into bathroom/bedroom while occupied to watch.

alfiedotwtf 3mo ago
... and under an hour before the first phone camera recording hits twitter
Schiendelman 3mo ago
I am sure one of these companies will fuck up and do that. But for the most part, that kind of problem is pretty easy to avoid. Any company using computer vision knows that now, and has high standards of operation (usually by contracting with companies that then have that incentive) to stop that from happening.
- steveBK123 3mo ago
  Correct - they sub it out to a sub who subs it out to a sub who... Therefore the responsibility is always 5 steps removed
  - Schiendelman 3mo ago
    I get that it's funny, but that's almost never true. And the business risk is on the robotics company. That's why I'm saying maybe somewhere it happens once, but it's just like safety and Uber drivers, the scrutiny on the brand causes really good incentives. Uber is way way safer than taxis ever were, or are. Women even drive for Uber - they could never have been safe driving taxis.