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It's impressive all these companies are getting away with "base usage allowance included" [1] or "standard limits" [2], layering the higher plans as a multiplie

by cube00 3mo ago

It's impressive all these companies are getting away with "base usage allowance included" [1] or "standard limits" [2], layering the higher plans as a multiplier of that "base" but never disclosing what it is. I guess the base is whatever the profit margin needs to be this month. [1]: https://zcode.z.ai/en#:~:text=Base%20usage%20allowance%20included https://zcode.z.ai/en#:~:text=Base%20usage%20allowance%20inc... [2]: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16275805?hl=en#:~:text=an%20AI%20plan-,Standard%20limts,-AI%20Plus https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16275805?hl=en#:~:t...

nucleative 3mo ago
A strategy that can backfire. An unpredictable tool is worse than a bad tool.
ranyume 3mo ago
When running the app, it actually tells you what the base usages are, but the name of the plans are different from the page. It reads: Start plan: 5 Million tokens a day (GLM-5.2 3M, GLM-5 Turbo 2M) For individuals: (+150% quota) $18.00USD+ For individual developers with a dedicated Coding Plan quota.
- SwellJoe 3mo ago
  Now, if only we can figure out what all the others are providing as part of their subscriptions we can compare. (Though 3 million tokens of the top model per day seems kinda low. But, I guess that's what the 5x plan is for. I'd still like to be able to compare against all the big providers.)
  - trentor 3mo ago
    You can just track the tokens used in Claude Code and codex until you hit the limit?
    - SwellJoe 3mo ago
      Can you?
  - ranyume 3mo ago
    Note that it says "start plan" without a price tag. The price tag for the other plan is the one on the page. I don't know what it is because I haven't set up an account to use it, I set up a custom provider in the app. The app itself is interesting to me. I can see most of the agent trace (I can't see the tool definitions and the tool input args), I can set up skills and make the agent manage them and I can define sub-agents as well. The UI itself is a bit weird, but I guess it's not thought to be a general purpose file editor.
- overgard 3mo ago
  Heh, so it sounds like you have to pay them first to find out what you're going to get for the money? That's an interesting business model..
- port11 3mo ago
  5M tokens regardless of “type”? Because then it takes a very good harness to not destroy that quota just with over-eager inputs.
reissbaker 3mo ago
Agreed this sucks. We publish ours here and try to be as transparent as possible: https://synthetic.new/rate-limits https://synthetic.new/rate-limits
- Sidio 3mo ago
  Love both the approach and the transparency. Kudos.
- port11 3mo ago
  Why price per request? What’s a request made of to cause GLM Flash to be 10x cheaper?
nullbio 3mo ago
Yeah, this is why I like the ACCC in Australia. They wouldn't allow this sort of thing to fly if this was an Australian company.

by cube00 3mo ago

nucleative 3mo ago

A strategy that can backfire. An unpredictable tool is worse than a bad tool.

ranyume 3mo ago

When running the app, it actually tells you what the base usages are, but the name of the plans are different from the page. It reads: Start plan: 5 Million tokens a day (GLM-5.2 3M, GLM-5 Turbo 2M) For individuals: (+150% quota) $18.00USD+ For individual developers with a dedicated Coding Plan quota.

SwellJoe 3mo ago
Now, if only we can figure out what all the others are providing as part of their subscriptions we can compare. (Though 3 million tokens of the top model per day seems kinda low. But, I guess that's what the 5x plan is for. I'd still like to be able to compare against all the big providers.)
- trentor 3mo ago
  You can just track the tokens used in Claude Code and codex until you hit the limit?
  - SwellJoe 3mo ago
    Can you?
- ranyume 3mo ago
  Note that it says "start plan" without a price tag. The price tag for the other plan is the one on the page. I don't know what it is because I haven't set up an account to use it, I set up a custom provider in the app. The app itself is interesting to me. I can see most of the agent trace (I can't see the tool definitions and the tool input args), I can set up skills and make the agent manage them and I can define sub-agents as well. The UI itself is a bit weird, but I guess it's not thought to be a general purpose file editor.
overgard 3mo ago
Heh, so it sounds like you have to pay them first to find out what you're going to get for the money? That's an interesting business model..
port11 3mo ago
5M tokens regardless of “type”? Because then it takes a very good harness to not destroy that quota just with over-eager inputs.

reissbaker 3mo ago

Agreed this sucks. We publish ours here and try to be as transparent as possible: https://synthetic.new/rate-limits https://synthetic.new/rate-limits

Sidio 3mo ago
Love both the approach and the transparency. Kudos.
port11 3mo ago
Why price per request? What’s a request made of to cause GLM Flash to be 10x cheaper?

nullbio 3mo ago

Yeah, this is why I like the ACCC in Australia. They wouldn't allow this sort of thing to fly if this was an Australian company.