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From the original announcement last month: > After this point-when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subsc

From the original announcement last month: > After this point-when sufficient capacity allows us to do so—we aim to restore Fable 5 as a standard part of subscription plans. We intend to do this as quickly as we can. From today: > After July 7, 2026, Claude Fable 5 is no longer included in your plan’s weekly usage limits. You can keep using Claude Fable 5 through usage credits, which let you pay for usage beyond what your plan includes.

espeed 4mo ago
Fable can one-shot solutions. Opus 4.8 spins its wheels for a week or month and may never get there. Which one uses more resources?
- espeed 3mo ago
  I take this back. Fable is Fable in name only now. It burned through all MAX 20x tokens in two days and accomplished nothing. Relatively simple tasks.
Avicebron 4mo ago
That's such a bitter "never let a crisis go to waste" pill
- wongarsu 4mo ago
  To be fair, the initial deal was two weeks of access to Fable, then you have to pay (or they might be generous and extend it, as per above quote). Then for everyone outside the US the second week didn't happen. This is basically that second week. The only slightly bitter thing is only being allowed to use 50% of the weekly limit on Fable
  - anamexis 4mo ago
    It didn't happen for everyone inside the US, either. Also I believe it was only available for 2 days.
  - freedomben 4mo ago
    > Then for everyone outside the US I'm in the US, and I can promise you that it wasn't just for people outside the US that it was taken away
Farmadupe 4mo ago
Is it too cynical to read the first quote as "when openai catch up, we will restore fable 5 to subscription plans"? In other words, they're saying "We know have a monopoloy and we will take all of your money until someone offers a cheaper competing product"? And "We intend to do this as quickly as we can" read as a non-promise then as much as it does now? --- Well, I am assuming that this is all based on the fact that Anthropic have enough compute capacity to serve fable 5 now and in the future, and they're "only" limiting it in the coming week to get richer quicker. Since compute hardware is presumably relatively un-fungible, I'm assuming Anthropic isn't offering a week of fable-5 for everyone on rented hardware that they're paying exporbitant fees for? In other words, my cynical read is "if they can serve it under the terms of subscription plans for a week", then they could serve it under the same terms for a month?
- hungryhobbit 4mo ago
  You should actually be even more cynical! See the link to Reddit in my comment below for more details, but the TLDR is that (as a programmer) even when you use Mythos ... Mythos will hand the work off to Opus!
  - gAI 4mo ago
    Eh, I have yet to get safety-switched from Fable to Opus. Your mileage may vary.
    - hungryhobbit 4mo ago
      Whether it happens to 5% or 50% (or even 0.5%) of users, I think everyone should feel extremely cynical when a company offers a huge freebie of a product ... and fails to mention that any % of their customers will actually get yesterday's model.
      - gAI 4mo ago
        They did talk about it at length in the post, and most of the guardrails were already there in the first release. To be clear, it shouldn't have anything to do with the user. It's the prompt, and if it switches, it'll tell ya.
kingforaday 4mo ago
It's going to continue to suck getting prompt rejections on their overly aggressive "benign" safety margin thresholds [1]. Without a clear understanding of what triggers it, I guess we will pay for input/output tokens on the usage credits and not get refunds? As others on HN, I found very limited utility during the Fable 5 week in early June for my benign-engineering tasks and don't look forward to this new release, but I will try. 1. https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5

espeed 4mo ago

Fable can one-shot solutions. Opus 4.8 spins its wheels for a week or month and may never get there. Which one uses more resources?

espeed 3mo ago
I take this back. Fable is Fable in name only now. It burned through all MAX 20x tokens in two days and accomplished nothing. Relatively simple tasks.

Avicebron 4mo ago

That's such a bitter "never let a crisis go to waste" pill

wongarsu 4mo ago
To be fair, the initial deal was two weeks of access to Fable, then you have to pay (or they might be generous and extend it, as per above quote). Then for everyone outside the US the second week didn't happen. This is basically that second week. The only slightly bitter thing is only being allowed to use 50% of the weekly limit on Fable
- anamexis 4mo ago
  It didn't happen for everyone inside the US, either. Also I believe it was only available for 2 days.
- freedomben 4mo ago
  > Then for everyone outside the US I'm in the US, and I can promise you that it wasn't just for people outside the US that it was taken away

Farmadupe 4mo ago

Is it too cynical to read the first quote as "when openai catch up, we will restore fable 5 to subscription plans"? In other words, they're saying "We know have a monopoloy and we will take all of your money until someone offers a cheaper competing product"? And "We intend to do this as quickly as we can" read as a non-promise then as much as it does now? --- Well, I am assuming that this is all based on the fact that Anthropic have enough compute capacity to serve fable 5 now and in the future, and they're "only" limiting it in the coming week to get richer quicker. Since compute hardware is presumably relatively un-fungible, I'm assuming Anthropic isn't offering a week of fable-5 for everyone on rented hardware that they're paying exporbitant fees for? In other words, my cynical read is "if they can serve it under the terms of subscription plans for a week", then they could serve it under the same terms for a month?

hungryhobbit 4mo ago
You should actually be even more cynical! See the link to Reddit in my comment below for more details, but the TLDR is that (as a programmer) even when you use Mythos ... Mythos will hand the work off to Opus!
- gAI 4mo ago
  Eh, I have yet to get safety-switched from Fable to Opus. Your mileage may vary.
  - hungryhobbit 4mo ago
    Whether it happens to 5% or 50% (or even 0.5%) of users, I think everyone should feel extremely cynical when a company offers a huge freebie of a product ... and fails to mention that any % of their customers will actually get yesterday's model.
    - gAI 4mo ago
      They did talk about it at length in the post, and most of the guardrails were already there in the first release. To be clear, it shouldn't have anything to do with the user. It's the prompt, and if it switches, it'll tell ya.

kingforaday 4mo ago

It's going to continue to suck getting prompt rejections on their overly aggressive "benign" safety margin thresholds [1]. Without a clear understanding of what triggers it, I guess we will pay for input/output tokens on the usage credits and not get refunds? As others on HN, I found very limited utility during the Fable 5 week in early June for my benign-engineering tasks and don't look forward to this new release, but I will try. 1. https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5 https://www.anthropic.com/news/redeploying-fable-5