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This is an area where we really could use case law to protect kids from the Zuckerberg's of the world. It's important for the future. We're not going to "self-
by josefritzishere 4mo ago
This is an area where we really could use case law to protect kids from the Zuckerberg's of the world. It's important for the future. We're not going to "self-regulate" our way out of this.
- whynotmaybe 4mo agoIs there a place where self-regulation ever works?
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- zach_miller 4mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Dues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Dues I think this is a fun historical example. Ships passing through Denmark needed to pay a tax of 1-2% of the value of their cargo. They self-assessed that value. The twist that makes it interesting was that the King could choose to purchase any cargo immediately at the reported value. If a ship underreported, they might save on tax, but they risked taking a hefty loss. I have no idea how effective this was, but it's compelling. I wonder whether great self-regulation might need clever design like that example.
- soco 4mo agoNitpicking, I have the feeling that's self-declaration, not self-regulation.
- Bratmon 4mo agoThat's literally the opposite of self-regulation.
- nixon_why69 4mo agoNot quite the opposite, it still outsourced the administrative burden. They avoided the hassle of boarding every ship and inspecting the cargo with a random threat. One could even call it "properly incentivized self-regulation".
- Bratmon 4mo agoI'm genuinely curious how you imagine this system working without a government bureaucracy keeping track of the values of all cargos and regularly inspecting ships to verify the accuracy of their manifests. What stops ships from reporting something like "Wheat - 25 guilders per ton" when they're actually carrying diamonds? It doesn't even solve the "It's hard for the bureaucracy to know how much stuff is worth" problem- The government still needs to know enough to decide whether or not to call BS on "Caribbean Grey Ambergris- 300 guilders per pound" This system does have the advantage that it allows the government to make small fines without the legal burden of establishing that the merchant was lying, but that's in no way the same as self-regulation.
- nixon_why69 4mo agoThe story is from the 15-1600s. I imagine it working like things generally worked in that time period which is with quite a lot less bureaucracy than today. The cleverness of the idea is it leverages fear to prevent ships from declaring "wheat" for their ship full of diamonds. You can make some sporadic, random inspections, just enough to keep the fear up, instead of having to inspect every single ship.
- Bratmon 4mo agoThe idea of "Wait, we can just make sporadic random customs inspections" is way older than this law. I suspect it was invented by the first ever customs inspector. (At a minimum, Plutarch at one point described it happening at a checkpoint between Roman provinces)
- cyanydeez 4mo agosounds like Bernie Sander's modern day "lets just buy 50% of AI companies"
- whynotmaybe 4mo agoWe're in the "exceptio probat regulam" zone with this example.
- newobj 4mo agoInteresting variation on the "I cut you choose" game mechanic!
- alistairSH 4mo agoAmateur motorsports has a similar concept - often called a "claim rule" or similar - in an attempt to control costs. Basically, for $x amount, a competitor can buy the winning car (or its engine, or similar). Where $x is the amount the group decides should be a reasonable amount to spend on building a car. A racer is free to spend more, but if they win too much, somebody will write a check and buy the car. In theory. In reality, plenty of people have the money to spend $x^2 and risk the loss.
- plagiarist 4mo agoI love solutions like that. Like if you are splitting food, one person cuts and the other chooses.
- Bratmon 4mo agoThe best I've seen is ESRB ratings on video games.
- josefritzishere 4mo agoVery few. But it's the core of our current economic system... which explains a lot of the problems.
- _doctor_love 4mo agoThe dive industry, when I got my PADI one of the instructors told me diving is mainly self-regulated.
- okuntilnow 4mo agoBut when governments do regulate (UK, AUS etc all) - people cry foul.
- kelseyfrog 4mo agoPeople cry foul about every other thing too. It's best to ignore them.
- datsci_est_2015 4mo agoUnfortunately we can’t ignore them when they’re our “representatives” in the government.
- toofy 4mo agoi agree with the sibling comment here. someone in a comment section somewhere is crying foul about everything.
- morkalork 4mo agoBecause the implementation is a shit show?
- consumer451 4mo agoThe entire age verification push in AUS was started by an advertising consulting company to distract from proposed online gambling regulation. Protecting children is a noble goal that I personally agree with, but it's also often used to sane-wash further erosion of privacy. As has been discussed here and elsewhere, age verification turns out to be the complete loss of Internet anonymity due to its implementation techniques. There are proposed alternative implementations, very conveniently for some, this is not part of the discussion. This is exactly the time when nerds like us should speak up. https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-security/opening-up-zero-knowledge-proof-technology-to-promote-privacy-in-age-assurance/ https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/technology/safety-secu...
- okuntilnow 4mo ago