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For context: he's accused Belgium of being anti-semitic because a couple of Orthodox Jewish mohels are being prosecuted for practicing illicit medicine (i.e. pe

by elric 3mo ago

For context: he's accused Belgium of being anti-semitic because a couple of Orthodox Jewish mohels are being prosecuted for practicing illicit medicine (i.e. performing ritual circumcision without a medical license). The investigation started after a complaint was filed by a rabbi, so it's hard to chalk this up to anti-semitisim, but that's modern day US diplomacy for you.

aa-jv 3mo ago
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redsocksfan45 3mo ago
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toolslive 3mo ago
For a bit of context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah#Metzitzah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah#Metzitzah "In three medical papers done in Israel, Canada, and the US, oral suction following circumcision was suggested as a cause in 11 cases of neonatal herpes " lovely.
- adverbly 3mo ago
  Nope nope nope. That's enough internet news for today thank you!
  - Johnny_Bonk 3mo ago
    Exactly my thought… I just woke up
- elric 3mo ago
  From what I remember from an interview with the rabbi in question, the "oral suction" was not involved in this case. But because these procedures are being performed illocitly, it is hard to know what's going on or how sanitary it is.
  - elil17 3mo ago
    According to VRT it was involved: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/09/20/antwerps-parket-onderzoekt-mogelijk-illegale-besnijdenissen-in-j/ https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/09/20/antwerps-parket-onde...
hsuduebc2 3mo ago
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- armada651 3mo ago
  Female circumcision is often more brutal, but I agree with the stance that any mutilation of children is bad. No matter what you think about circumcision, elective surgeries should simply not be performed on children until they're old enough to make an informed decision about their own body.
  - hsuduebc2 3mo ago
    Absolutely. I'm kinda surprised that not mutiliation the kids is such a revolting idea that I'm getting down voted for that.
    - Ekaros 3mo ago
      Well it is the underlying sexism in the world. Males is the group that society accepts and celebrates hate against. Many people really think it is okay to do things that go against certain minorities.
      - BobaFloutist 3mo ago
        I hope you're aware that this particular argument only reinforced people in their existing positions, and has no chance whatsoever of convincing people that don't already agree with you.
        Ekaros 3mo ago
        Some times you can not change peoples mind. Especially when they are bad human beings. First step is to point out their evils. So that they can be ostracised from polite society and discussion. This is the tactic they have been using. So goal is not to change them as you can not change evil. It is to get the rest to kick them to curb.
hector124 3mo ago
It's considered very anti-semitic in America to be against male genital mutilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumcision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumc... When Iceland tried to ban it, the ADL had some very choice words about the potential consequences. > Greenblatt sent Iceland's Parliament a letter regarding a proposed infant circumcision ban in that country, arguing that the ban should be rejected due to circumcision's religious significance and health benefits. Greenblatt also said that if the ban passed, the ADL would report on any celebration by antisemites and other extremists, asserting that this would deter tourism and harm Iceland's economy It's scary stuff.
- elric 3mo ago
  That isn't even the point though. The circumcision itself is perfectly legal in Belgium. The legal issue is with the lack of qualifications of the ones performing them in this case.
  - hector124 3mo ago
    Certainly. The part I'm trying to draw light towards is American zionists' bizarre attitude towards circumcision and how eager they are to invoke claims of antisemitism when remotely challenged on it.
    - wil421 3mo ago
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      - hector124 3mo ago
        Yes - on HN sometimes users use a "throwaway" account when they're commenting on a topic which is particularly charged. I'm surprised this isn't something you're familiar with! I chose to use a throwaway because this topic in particular frequently invites accusations of ill-motivation, sort of like the one you were reaching for.
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magenta4 3mo ago
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- Ekaros 3mo ago
  Only solution is to put them with the parents that allowed it to jail with rest of the sexual predators that go after children. Permanently. For this sort of crime there should be no second chances. Your life is forfeit you do not get out to see an other day as free person. Sometimes you just need to protect the children from their parents.
elil17 3mo ago
Well, he didn't just say it was anti-semitic. He called for the judges to rule in a specific way. It was very much framed as being about Belgian sovereignty by much of the Belgian media. One of the mohels was from the US, it was viewed as asking for US citizens to have special treatment in the Belgian legal system.

by elric 3mo ago

aa-jv 3mo ago

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redsocksfan45 3mo ago

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toolslive 3mo ago

For a bit of context https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah#Metzitzah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah#Metzitzah "In three medical papers done in Israel, Canada, and the US, oral suction following circumcision was suggested as a cause in 11 cases of neonatal herpes " lovely.

adverbly 3mo ago
Nope nope nope. That's enough internet news for today thank you!
- Johnny_Bonk 3mo ago
  Exactly my thought… I just woke up
elric 3mo ago
From what I remember from an interview with the rabbi in question, the "oral suction" was not involved in this case. But because these procedures are being performed illocitly, it is hard to know what's going on or how sanitary it is.
- elil17 3mo ago
  According to VRT it was involved: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/09/20/antwerps-parket-onderzoekt-mogelijk-illegale-besnijdenissen-in-j/ https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2024/09/20/antwerps-parket-onde...

hsuduebc2 3mo ago

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armada651 3mo ago
Female circumcision is often more brutal, but I agree with the stance that any mutilation of children is bad. No matter what you think about circumcision, elective surgeries should simply not be performed on children until they're old enough to make an informed decision about their own body.
- hsuduebc2 3mo ago
  Absolutely. I'm kinda surprised that not mutiliation the kids is such a revolting idea that I'm getting down voted for that.
  - Ekaros 3mo ago
    Well it is the underlying sexism in the world. Males is the group that society accepts and celebrates hate against. Many people really think it is okay to do things that go against certain minorities.
    - BobaFloutist 3mo ago
      I hope you're aware that this particular argument only reinforced people in their existing positions, and has no chance whatsoever of convincing people that don't already agree with you.
      - Ekaros 3mo ago
        Some times you can not change peoples mind. Especially when they are bad human beings. First step is to point out their evils. So that they can be ostracised from polite society and discussion. This is the tactic they have been using. So goal is not to change them as you can not change evil. It is to get the rest to kick them to curb.

hector124 3mo ago

It's considered very anti-semitic in America to be against male genital mutilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumcision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumc... When Iceland tried to ban it, the ADL had some very choice words about the potential consequences. > Greenblatt sent Iceland's Parliament a letter regarding a proposed infant circumcision ban in that country, arguing that the ban should be rejected due to circumcision's religious significance and health benefits. Greenblatt also said that if the ban passed, the ADL would report on any celebration by antisemites and other extremists, asserting that this would deter tourism and harm Iceland's economy It's scary stuff.

elric 3mo ago
That isn't even the point though. The circumcision itself is perfectly legal in Belgium. The legal issue is with the lack of qualifications of the ones performing them in this case.
- hector124 3mo ago
  Certainly. The part I'm trying to draw light towards is American zionists' bizarre attitude towards circumcision and how eager they are to invoke claims of antisemitism when remotely challenged on it.
  - wil421 3mo ago
    [flagged]
    - hector124 3mo ago
      Yes - on HN sometimes users use a "throwaway" account when they're commenting on a topic which is particularly charged. I'm surprised this isn't something you're familiar with! I chose to use a throwaway because this topic in particular frequently invites accusations of ill-motivation, sort of like the one you were reaching for.
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magenta4 3mo ago

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Ekaros 3mo ago
Only solution is to put them with the parents that allowed it to jail with rest of the sexual predators that go after children. Permanently. For this sort of crime there should be no second chances. Your life is forfeit you do not get out to see an other day as free person. Sometimes you just need to protect the children from their parents.

elil17 3mo ago

Well, he didn't just say it was anti-semitic. He called for the judges to rule in a specific way. It was very much framed as being about Belgian sovereignty by much of the Belgian media. One of the mohels was from the US, it was viewed as asking for US citizens to have special treatment in the Belgian legal system.