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The issue isn't just the technical dependency. It's also the fact that it forces each citizen to pay a few hundred Euros to companies which then campaign again

The issue isn't just the technical dependency. It's also the fact that it forces each citizen to pay a few hundred Euros to companies which then campaign against their very rights. Citizens get no support of any kind in case of issues, and has to enter a contractual agreement which is ridiculously asymmetrical, where the company has little to no responsibility of any kind, but has very ample rights to track the other party in extremely creepy ways.

spwa4 3mo ago
But ... the alternative is that the government actually pays a bit of money to fix the situation! To support their solutions. To actually develop them for enough devices. To secure them ... Plus the services the government made are way more invasive than the Google/Apple ones. In addition to the money, actually using them would be hundreds of times more complex, and they don't have the provisions Google has, for example accessibility and security services (like actually stopping people stealing accounts on a large scale). All of this can be done, easily even, but it isn't. Politicians don't want to. https://www.itsme-id.com/business/platform/identification https://www.itsme-id.com/business/platform/identification https://france-identite.gouv.fr/ https://france-identite.gouv.fr/ https://english.rekenkamer.nl/latest/news/2023/03/29/digital-identity-tool-for-citizens-goals-achieved-but-still-uncertainty-about-future-log-in-tools https://english.rekenkamer.nl/latest/news/2023/03/29/digital...
- WaitWaitWha 3mo ago
  or, not force people into mandatory digital ID wallets at all.
- intrasight 3mo ago
  I just dont buy the argument that it would be that expensive for the governments to provide certified keychain fobs that provide hardware based identification.
  - wqaatwt 3mo ago
    That was an option for the past 15+ tears at least in some EU countries. Its just not very convenient (garbage tier software they bought didn’t help either).
  - nradov 3mo ago
    It's pretty expensive to deal with all of the technical support and identity verification work when people lose their devices and need to have credentials reset.
    - lokar 3mo ago
      How do the apps bootstrap identity? Do they just use Apple/google (that seems really bad), or do they have you do some verification and input a token into the app somehow?
    - deaux 3mo ago
      It's even more expensive to have your country's digital ID held hostage by the US or its big tech players.
  - haagch 3mo ago
    Here in Germany everyone who has an ID card, which is basically everyone, already has a secure chip for this purpose.
chadgpt3 3mo ago
It doesn't force them to, strictly speaking - they also have the choice to sue the government

spwa4 3mo ago

But ... the alternative is that the government actually pays a bit of money to fix the situation! To support their solutions. To actually develop them for enough devices. To secure them ... Plus the services the government made are way more invasive than the Google/Apple ones. In addition to the money, actually using them would be hundreds of times more complex, and they don't have the provisions Google has, for example accessibility and security services (like actually stopping people stealing accounts on a large scale). All of this can be done, easily even, but it isn't. Politicians don't want to. https://www.itsme-id.com/business/platform/identification https://www.itsme-id.com/business/platform/identification https://france-identite.gouv.fr/ https://france-identite.gouv.fr/ https://english.rekenkamer.nl/latest/news/2023/03/29/digital-identity-tool-for-citizens-goals-achieved-but-still-uncertainty-about-future-log-in-tools https://english.rekenkamer.nl/latest/news/2023/03/29/digital...

WaitWaitWha 3mo ago
or, not force people into mandatory digital ID wallets at all.
intrasight 3mo ago
I just dont buy the argument that it would be that expensive for the governments to provide certified keychain fobs that provide hardware based identification.
- wqaatwt 3mo ago
  That was an option for the past 15+ tears at least in some EU countries. Its just not very convenient (garbage tier software they bought didn’t help either).
- nradov 3mo ago
  It's pretty expensive to deal with all of the technical support and identity verification work when people lose their devices and need to have credentials reset.
  - lokar 3mo ago
    How do the apps bootstrap identity? Do they just use Apple/google (that seems really bad), or do they have you do some verification and input a token into the app somehow?
  - deaux 3mo ago
    It's even more expensive to have your country's digital ID held hostage by the US or its big tech players.
- haagch 3mo ago
  Here in Germany everyone who has an ID card, which is basically everyone, already has a secure chip for this purpose.

chadgpt3 3mo ago

It doesn't force them to, strictly speaking - they also have the choice to sue the government