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That's really hard to swallow when the current president, who is responsible for the extreme uptick in ICE activity, pardoned 1,600 people who conspired against
by RIMR 3mo ago
That's really hard to swallow when the current president, who is responsible for the extreme uptick in ICE activity, pardoned 1,600 people who conspired against the federal government in favor of his agenda, but then that same government hands life-ruining prison sentences to people who weren't even present for conspiring against ICE.
Especially when the crux of this entire case was that the convicted are members of a terrorist organization - a fact that was declared at the whim of this same president.
I'm not saying that some of the people convicted don't deserve consequences for their actions, especially violence like shooting at officers. I'm not saying that this was a lawful assembly, especially given the documented intent to breach the facility and use pyrotechnics offensively. I am saying that this is an extreme escalation in action against dissent against the Republican agenda, with a highly visible inequality in enforcement against those who dissent similarly against the Democratic agenda.
If this kind of heavy-handed action was taken against everyone who challenges our government, I would still be concerned, but it is doubly concerning that some members of our society appear to have the permission to do these things, while we destroy the lives of others with different politics.
- ibejoeb 3mo ago[flagged]
- kasey_junk 3mo agoOne obvious distinction is that Tarrio was convicted of leading & planning the Proud Boys operation on Jan 6 while this defendant was convicted of moving zines. Tarrio wasn’t at the insurrection on Jan 6 because he’d already been barred from traveling to the city… And he got less of a sentence. I don’t think your argument equating these 2 is arguing what you think it is.
- 9x39 3mo agoUnderselling it by omission - was it intentional? Zines related to a shootout and murder by an armed group after retrieving them from the home of one of the parties involved, discussing it on a jail call, and placing them in a third person's apartment.
- alterom 3mo ago>murder by an armed group Oh yes, how could we have forgotten the crucial detail that every single person in the group had their hands on the trigger. Wait, that's because it didn't happen. One individual fired their weapon. (And whether that's a murder is very questionable, but let's set that aside). Nobody else should've been facing prosecution in this case.
- 9x39 3mo agohttps://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.410489/gov.uscourts.txnd.410489.385.0.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.txnd.41... I only have the .gov version, but 20-30 rounds were fired, Song was convicted as the attacker apparently and Baumann and Morris were evidently armed as well (the woods gunmen). It wasn’t the whole group but doesn’t appear to be just one individual. They were successfully tied together by the prosecution as conspirators to the satisfaction of juries by their shared mission, chats, organization, papers, safe houses, and prior meetings among other things.
- alterom 3mo ago> 20-30 rounds were fired By whom? > Baumann and Morris were evidently armed as well And, did they fire any of the shots at the scene? > It wasn’t the whole group but doesn’t appear to be just one individual. So, it was one individual beyond reasonable doubt. The rest is pure speculation. >They were successfully tied together by the prosecution as conspirators to the satisfaction of juries Yes, you are saying the same thing we already know: that there was a mistrial.
- blockmarker 3mo agoFollowing that principle, Bin Laden wouldn't be responsible for 9/11, ISIS shouldn't have been restricted or attacked in any way, and the mafia should be fully legal. That would be absurd.
- alterom 3mo ago