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Google's New reCAPTCHA Wants Your Camera Access and 21 Points of Your Hand
- pinnapi 4mo agothings are getting out of hand :D
- catfish-1234 4mo agoMy openclaw agent gonna find some way around it.
- SomeUserName432 4mo agoSir, that is a claw, not a hand.
- Terr_ 4mo agoImagine getting your hand wrongly blacklisted as a fake, and then someday down the road you make a wrong gesture during an online interview and now your real-name is also on the suspicion list.
- nerdsniper 4mo agoImagine you don’t have a hand.
- ButlerianJihad 4mo agoAs a Man of Culture, my hand ranks highly among my most valuable appendages!
- oniony 4mo agoI bet you're also not an ambiturner.
- tosti 4mo agoNew startup idea: Captcha-proof mock hands that wave with remote control http json api. You could sell a small diorama box with camera and everything as an upgrade.
- addandsubtract 4mo agoOr Palantir films your hands while trying to enter a venue, border, or voting booth.
- ragnar76 4mo agoWhat if you don't have a cam or a hand?
- outside1234 4mo agoSYNTAX ERROR
- ta93754829 4mo agocan't even do onlyfans
- addandsubtract 4mo agoThey said hands, not feet.
- khurs 4mo agoThere will be an Accessibility options? hear a phrase and repeat it or similar
- tosti 4mo agoWhat if you have all that, but waving is problematic due to non-functional motor control?
- augment_me 4mo agoYou are then our of the normal probability distribution and out of luck, it's not profitable to cater for you for the company.
- smalltorch 4mo agoI could see this being privacy friendly if the user could see exactly what Google was using. For instance, terminalcam, gives just enough data to reveal liveness without necessarily giving enough information about identity. https://gitlab.com/here_forawhile/terminalcam https://gitlab.com/here_forawhile/terminalcam
- Leonard_of_Q 4mo agoWell, create a virtual camera device with 120x80 resolution and give Ggl access to that and only that.
- add-sub-mul-div 4mo agoThe non-mandatory internet that requires any captcha at all is becoming non-existent to me.
- Cider9986 4mo agoI saw a post on the GrapheneOS forum of someone who was accosted by Google with this requirement, so they are certainly using it. It's interesting the parallels of Google's recaptcha and Cloudflare turnstile. Cloudflare is free, no image selector, allows VPNs and Tor for the most part, just 0 click with a good ip reputation and 1 click with a bad one. Recaptcha is paid, trains waymos, sucks millions of hours of human time, asks for camera access, asks for a phone attestation, blocks VPNs/Tor. Thank god less sites are using ReCAPTCHA. Looking forward to some other solutions gaining prominence eventually as well. Like that Anime girl one.
- ButlerianJihad 4mo ago> trains Waymos https://m.xkcd.com/2228/ https://m.xkcd.com/2228/
- ce4 4mo agohttps://m.xkcd.com/1897/ https://m.xkcd.com/1897/
- lesostep 4mo agoCloudflare allows you to pass with 1 click? I had as many as 10 minutes of solving capchas on ot before turning away I'm pretty sure, Cloudflare capchas could be endless
- addandsubtract 4mo agoAs soon as I get more than 2 captchas, I'm out. At that point, I'm assuming they're just testing my patience to train their models. Switching VPN servers is much more effective.
- potus_kushner 4mo agoyeah, they are as soon as you use a non-mainstream browser. never got past cloudflare with the Pale Moon browser, for instance. seeing a site like reclaimthenet - fighting for a free internet - gated behind cloudflare struck me as odd, to say the least. i just had to prove that i'm not a bot to be able to read the article.
- tensegrist 4mo agocan a unique fingerprint (no pun intended) be extracted from hand geometry
- jimmy76615 4mo agoDoesn't surprise me at all and seems like a good solution to the problem of human verification. It won't take long for AI to catch up to that, but this captcha method might hold for a couple of months. Not sure what problem everybody here is having with this. The alternative would be device certificate stuff (ala did Apple sign for this being a proper Apple device?). Having to shake your hand sounds a lot more privacy friendly. Are you guys seriously worried that Google is gonna steal your secret handshakes?
- aix1 4mo ago> Not sure what problem everybody here is having with this. For starters, it's extremely invasive (camera on to pay a bill - wtf?), has unclear privacy implications and questionable accessibility (to put it mildly).
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- pfortuny 4mo agoWell, actually I am worried about it. It needs to happen just once. Or for google to have a different kind of CEO (as companies are wont to).
- SllX 4mo agoFinding additional ways to waste more of people’s time on the web isn’t a good solution to anything. Doing so in a privacy invading way from a company that has a vested interest in collecting as much data as possible, exhausting all utility from it and butters its bread in an industry which specifically is built around disrespecting the time of other people is just never going to fly. Like seriously, if I have to turn on a camera to get through a recaptcha then the website doing it can fuck right the hell off with extreme prejudice. My web browser is not allowed to access my cameras for any reason, no exceptions.
- Almondsetat 4mo ago>this captcha method might hold for a couple of months So stripping away user privacy even more is justified for implementing an already obsolete verification method?
- outside1234 4mo agoIs it weird that my reaction to all of this is that I am just going to drop these websites when they ask me for this?
- Cider9986 4mo agoNo, but what would you do if it's a government required service?
- toxic72 4mo agoThe IRS wanted a full 3d scan of my face to prove identity AFTER I already had a working account used every year for the past 3+ years. They asked for feedback after I canceled the login, I gave very candid feedback in a form. Then they asked if I would give an interview. You know why I wanted to log in? To claim a $7 refund. They ended up mailing it.
- gib444 4mo agoI wonder if the identity requirements are lowered if you owe them money?
- frollogaston 4mo agoYes actually, I've seen both. It makes sense because nobody would impersonate me to give them money. I also make sure they never owe me. Otherwise I get delayed money, ID thieves have another reason to target me, thieves might actually get it, and the IRS might not give it. And the last thing happened to me once with a large refund, for a year, because of a pure logistics error on their end that took me a ton of effort to get them to fix, and it was kinda related to ID. Identity situation is much cleaner if I just pay the IRS.
- Cthulhu_ 4mo agoThen you sign in using your eID which is both highly secure and tied to your personal identity. Government services don't need 3rd party are-you-a-human verification, not when your account is tied to your identity. (this is from the Netherlands where you can use digID [0] to sign into government services and ID-bound 3rd parties like insurance, mortgages, pensions etc) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DigiD
- MrWiffles 4mo agoWith high resolution cameras, indefinite data retention and third party data leaks being a matter of when, not if, this seems like a perfect way to get your fingerprints stolen by organized crime syndicates worldwide. If not next year, then in 5-10 years. And when they get used for “something”, what happens when you go on vacation somewhere and you’re detained at that country’s border for a crime that happened N years before your very first entry into that country ever happened? With as many Ph.D.s as there are at Google, you’d think they’d be smarter than to come up with this. Which is how you know the PMs are in charge, not the smart people.
- intended 4mo agoI wonder if anyone has thought about what happens if and when Google (or others) gets bought out. No firm lasts forever.
- drexlspivey 4mo agoIt is not possible to buy a 4 trillion public company
- zigzag312 4mo agoEven if the purchasing entity is backed by a foreign country?
- sigmoid10 4mo agoValuations are not permanent. Amazon dropped 90% during the dotcom bubble. And there is always another financial crisis coming.
- xethos 4mo agoI'm struggling not to be sarcastic here, as I'm not quite stoked about Canadian Tire owning most of what's left of Hudson's Bay Company. It's pretty undeniable proof that age and revenue will not make a company immortal or invulnerable though.
- khurs 4mo agoI'm also now seeing a 'scan this QR code' captcha when using Archive.org links. Can't be bothered... so instead using the accessibility option of listening to a phrase instead.
- altairprime 4mo agoIt is extremely disappointing to see Reclaim’s reporting whiff so badly on this. Yeah, they got the gist of the outrage, but they missed the real grift underneath. They slipped a massive loophole under the radar here and Reclaim misses it entirely: Google promised to delete the footage, but not the data derived from the footage. To use 23andme as an analogy, the company tended to dispose of old genetic sample kits after a while, but retained the derived data from those kits identifiably associated with specific people. Google is only promising to dispose of the costly data to store, the raw biometric material that takes up precious terabytes, but unlike 23andme will never voluntarily permit you to review and remove the results of their biometric analysis if you. Reclaim, if you’re reading this, here’s what you missed: https://docs.cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/hand-gesture-verification https://docs.cloud.google.com/recaptcha/docs/hand-gesture-ve... > Google does not retain any images or videos of a user's hand gestures This is the sole statement of data deletion provided, and nowhere does Google state any other retention policy for derivations whatsoever, whether anonymized or associated, from that hand data; referring instead to the generic terms of service privacy policy: > Other data is deleted or anonymized automatically The privacy policy does not have a specific callout for biometric derivations, and so they may choose to anonymize rather than delete your biometric data. > some data we retain for longer periods of time when necessary for legitimate business or legal purposes, such as security, fraud and abuse prevention Recaptcha exists for the exlclusice purpose of security, fraud and abuse prevention, and so by this clause they may retain your identified hand scan biometrics for as long as they see fit. > We will share personal information outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that disclosure of the information is reasonabl[e] They will give your identified hand biometrics upon request to anyone who can make a convincing case to them. > We may share non-personally identifiable information publicly and with our partners And they grant themselves the right to start selling their dataset of humanity’s hand biometrics for personal profit with none shared back to those whose biometrics are now a commodity to be bought and sold. (Note that Google is not alone in this; see also gestures at much of tech. But that’s no excuse for the grift going unreported by a journalistic entity that’s been around long enough to know better how these reassurance-by-omission scams work. I was already upset with Google but I still expect better of those trying to stop them.)
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- 28304283409234 4mo agoWhat camera?
- _V_ 4mo agoNot gonna happen. Ever. If a web requires me to do this to access it, I simply refuse. The last time I needed some web was my electricity company - sent them a ticket with a complaint. They replied with some bs like "your browser is simply not supported" so I kept sending them the same ticket over and over again until I got a real response and it seems they decided to change the system. To use my favorite quote: That's all it takes really, pressure, and time... :)
- Forgeties79 4mo agoYeah I’ve already warned my discord friends that the moment I have to show my ID I’m out of there without a goodbye. It sucks, but I just can’t compromise further. Personal ID’s are an absolute red line.
- _V_ 4mo agoYeah, for some reason I ran into that issue, too. I'm not giving my governmental ID to some random corporation. If that means I can't use their services, then so be it. Someone always has to be the first to say "no thanks" to their bs.
- Forgeties79 4mo agoYeah I basically told my discord friends that I’m not going to be held hostage with the threat of losing contact with them, so if they want to communicate with me they can hit me up by other means which I shared.
- frollogaston 4mo agoHow many people on Discord would really give ID? It's not Facebook; all their names are pseudonyms, and they're talking privately.
- Forgeties79 4mo agoThere is a significant subset of the population that has a lot of their social life on discord. They’re not going to let something as simple as ID verification cut them off from their friends. You and I know how important it is to protect PII, but we are probably older and remember a time when more importance was placed on protecting your identity.
- risit 4mo agoJust as with paywalls, it's just easier to close the page if prompted with this. Many things are not that interesting if an effort is required.
- gitowiec 4mo agoWe have to have ability to stream video instead of accepting browsers webcam request. I propose Firefox to go first with the implantation. I would like to automate it with AI to stream every time a different video with different person
- nerdsniper 4mo agoAlso worth noting this could allow Google to know who is using whom's devices. E.g. if I let my sister use my device, then Google would know it's her hand. Would it deny her hand's reCAPTCHA because it doesn't match my biometrics? Or would it allow her and just make a record in the google database that she was using my phone at 8:42PM ?
- thisislife2 4mo agoA few days back, Google reCaptcha suddenly showed me a QR code and asked me to scan it with my mobile to "verify" I was human. I was taken aback, and at first thought my system / browser had some malware that was messing with the Captcha ... (Apparently, this started appearing from last month - https://cybernews.com/privacy/google-qr-code-recaptcha-requires-approved-phone/ https://cybernews.com/privacy/google-qr-code-recaptcha-requi... ).
- ProllyInfamous 4mo agoI have neither hands nor webcam nor phone. Whatdo? ---- This post is hypothetical sarcasm... only two of the above are truthful.
- kolinko 4mo agoI can show them a finger. And seriously - what about people without hands? What about scammers pretending to be Google gaining access to my camera? What about blind people? What about people using the site in places where camera use is not allowed?
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- wktmeow 4mo agoAll they're getting from me is a middle finger
- gonight 4mo agoNope, I just won't use whatever websites implement this.