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I learned music production by first learning how to produce house. Because of this, I can confidently say that house is not music. You literally just copy/paste

I learned music production by first learning how to produce house. Because of this, I can confidently say that house is not music. You literally just copy/paste over and over. Just because a human makes something, doesn't make it good or "music" necessarily.

rvnx 3mo ago
Their approach of "manually tagging songs that are good 'non-AI' and not good 'AI'" is a questionable approach from an engineering and product perspective. They would benefit much more from a have a better recommendation and ranking algorithm that carefully monitors all metrics, recommends high-performers, and excludes unpopular content from the feed. You can use the fact it was AI-generated as a signal, but it is just a signal among other criterias, not an outright ban. Essentially, explore songs and artists, exploit winners. Lot of people abort a song/artist/creator/etc. Lot of fake listens. People don't like the song of an album Creator is historically with a low score etc... -> Downrank ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit ) Then you judge the popularity of a song, an album, a creator, a playlist, etc not its creation method. Exactly like a genre type. It's not because you don't like country music that everybody should be forbidden to listen to country music. It's good for them too, the more streams they do, the more money they get, and the more their audience is engaged. If the person doesn’t like “AI-generated genre” then just downrank it heavily on its recommandation feed, like YouTube or TikTok does.
doug_durham 3mo ago
People engage with music in different ways. Some people focus on lyrics and the connection they make. Other people largely ignore lyrics and focus on the rhythms and patterns. Both are valid and both are very human. We do not need gatekeepers coming in and judging what is music and what is not music. House music can bring me as much joy as listening to Bach performed by a skilled ensemble. It depends on where I am at mentally. Both are valid forms of human expression.
soiltype 3mo ago
> I can confidently say that house is not music. Hey, this is really fucking stupid.
- janalsncm 3mo ago
  I would respect it if he followed up with “the only real music is dubstep”.
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pesus 3mo ago
It's pretty clear you didn't get beyond the very basics of music production or house music if you think this. I'd love to hear your masterfully produced house track to prove me wrong, though.
brookst 3mo ago
And yet there are well respected composers who intentionally copy/paste. Repetition is key to minimalism, for instance.
recursive 3mo ago
I went to see an orchestra performance. They literally just only made sound by dragging their bows across the strings on their "instruments". I can confidently say that is not music.
- ozzmotik 3mo ago
  and it's so low effort too. like they never try dragging their instruments across the bows. where has all the creativity gone now that we have these "official protocols" of performance and musical quality!

rvnx 3mo ago

Their approach of "manually tagging songs that are good 'non-AI' and not good 'AI'" is a questionable approach from an engineering and product perspective. They would benefit much more from a have a better recommendation and ranking algorithm that carefully monitors all metrics, recommends high-performers, and excludes unpopular content from the feed. You can use the fact it was AI-generated as a signal, but it is just a signal among other criterias, not an outright ban. Essentially, explore songs and artists, exploit winners. Lot of people abort a song/artist/creator/etc. Lot of fake listens. People don't like the song of an album Creator is historically with a low score etc... -> Downrank ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-armed_bandit ) Then you judge the popularity of a song, an album, a creator, a playlist, etc not its creation method. Exactly like a genre type. It's not because you don't like country music that everybody should be forbidden to listen to country music. It's good for them too, the more streams they do, the more money they get, and the more their audience is engaged. If the person doesn’t like “AI-generated genre” then just downrank it heavily on its recommandation feed, like YouTube or TikTok does.

doug_durham 3mo ago

People engage with music in different ways. Some people focus on lyrics and the connection they make. Other people largely ignore lyrics and focus on the rhythms and patterns. Both are valid and both are very human. We do not need gatekeepers coming in and judging what is music and what is not music. House music can bring me as much joy as listening to Bach performed by a skilled ensemble. It depends on where I am at mentally. Both are valid forms of human expression.

soiltype 3mo ago

> I can confidently say that house is not music. Hey, this is really fucking stupid.

janalsncm 3mo ago
I would respect it if he followed up with “the only real music is dubstep”.

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pesus 3mo ago

It's pretty clear you didn't get beyond the very basics of music production or house music if you think this. I'd love to hear your masterfully produced house track to prove me wrong, though.

brookst 3mo ago

And yet there are well respected composers who intentionally copy/paste. Repetition is key to minimalism, for instance.

recursive 3mo ago

I went to see an orchestra performance. They literally just only made sound by dragging their bows across the strings on their "instruments". I can confidently say that is not music.

ozzmotik 3mo ago
and it's so low effort too. like they never try dragging their instruments across the bows. where has all the creativity gone now that we have these "official protocols" of performance and musical quality!