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I think this is also a reason why X has gotten worse. They pay people for engagement.

by sarjann 4mo ago

stronglikedan 4mo ago
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- selectodude 4mo ago
  You get both the white nationalist and the antisemite sides, yes.
  - vlian2088 4mo ago
    as opposed to ye olde twitter where only wholesome racism was allowed https://web.archive.org/web/20181130015402/https://pasteboard.co/HzdB4wI.png https://web.archive.org/web/20181130015402/https://pasteboar... https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011518/https://pasteboard.co/HzdBkuf.png https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011518/https://pasteboar... https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011519/https://pasteboard.co/HzdBAUN.png https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011519/https://pasteboar...
    - andai 4mo ago
      Well they defined racism as "you can only be racist if you have power" and they defined having power as being white, so this is totally kosher.
    - selectodude 4mo ago
      I have this magical ability to think lots of people can suck simultaneously. I’m also able to separate the power and ability to inflict damage of a bunch of shitheads on twitter from the White House and the first ever trillionaire.
      - vlian2088 4mo ago
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        selectodude 4mo ago
        No. I don’t think it’s at all okay or fair that the wealthiest man in the world can push great replacement conspiracies and endorse the murder of immigrants (non-white South African division).
        vlian2088 4mo ago
        why should he alone be excluded from being able to use the media outlet he owns to promote his agenda? everyone else is doing it.
      - AlexeyBelov 4mo ago
        Don't feed the trolls please
- jdiff 4mo ago
  Paid to engage is a reference to the creator revenue sharing that encourages mass-appeal and ragebait content. X is not a meritocracy of ideas, either.
- 13hunteo 4mo ago
  X pays you for engagement if you have the premium subscription. Anyone with a verification symbol will be earning money from significant engagement, hence the rise of engagement bait on the platform.
- palmotea 4mo ago
  > It's actually gotten better for those of us that value all sides of a given story so we can come to our own conclusions, instead of parroting stuff we hear in bubbles. 1. A different bubble is still a bubble. 2. Regardless of political leanings, paying for engagement is a really bad sign. > I don't know anyone that's paid to engage, including myself. So? You don't have to know anyone being paid for it to be happening. The people who are really motivated by that are often poor by western standards and living on the other side of the world from you. Facebook also pays for engagement, and what that's lead to is stuff like AI-generated shrimp Jesus and fake "I made this" memes, created by guys in India that don't even know English and don't own a computer. They throw crap at the wall from their cell phones to see what sticks, then do more of that. IIRC the same thing happens for politics. Just the other day I read that a lot of popular "Alberta separatist" accounts are run by people who don't even live in Canada. They just use AI and shamelessly copy posts made by other accounts.
- mcintyre1994 4mo ago
  Assuming you already pay for 'verification' on X, you just need to get more followers/impressions and then you'll start being paid based on your impressions. If you know/follow anyone with the 'verified' checkmark who has a lot of followers, they'll be getting paid for impressions.
- Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
  How do you know / ensure you're getting all sides of the story? For one, many people have left the platform already because of its owner and policies, so you're not hearing those sides anymore. > I don't know anyone that's paid to engage, including myself. Anecdotal; people get paid / pay to post and promote certain content. But that's nothing new on social media. That said, escaping or avoiding bubbles is good, just be sure you're actually out.
  - plagiarist 4mo ago
    As soon as they find the side of the story they already agree with they know that the platform is a marketplace of ideas instead of a bubble.
  - fg137 4mo ago
    They don't. What they actually mean by "all sides" is "my side" (that is not typically allowed/supported on other platforms, for reasons they don't want to go into)
- virgildotcodes 4mo ago
  Do you think it will be a net social benefit for people to be taught 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 5 with equal weight, and let them come to their own conclusions? How about if the person who owns the educational institution puts their thumb on the 2 + 2 = 5 side of the balance for their own ends?
Sharlin 4mo ago
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- jdiff 4mo ago
  Mechahitler sure isn't helping.
  - TightFibre 4mo ago
    @slop put Twitter in SS bikini.
  - dcrazy 4mo ago
    I haven’t been on Twitter since before Elon took over. Do most users ever interact with Grok?
    - jdiff 4mo ago
      It waxes and it wanes, but people breathlessly asking Grok "IS THIS TRUE??" is prevalent. People often call on Grok to argue their points for them. The interaction is inflicted.
      - freakynit 4mo ago
        Meme context: https://x.com/BrunoCendon/status/1926883516890898637 https://x.com/BrunoCendon/status/1926883516890898637
      - Forgeties79 4mo ago
        Then they get upset when grok doesn’t agree with Trump/musk and call a computer “woke”
- nkozyra 4mo ago
  Provide financial incentives to make it worse.
- virgildotcodes 4mo ago
  I'm not sure if you actually haven't checked it since, but will give you the benefit of the doubt. Accounts pushing white supremacy, the reversion of women's rights, hatred towards other on the basis of their race or religion, climate change denial, denial of science and promotion of pseudoscience, etc etc. are heavily promoted across the platform and get millions of engagements. If you create a new account, the majority of the accounts you are shown and suggested to follow will be those pushing the above. They've switched to a model of paying their users for engagement, which naturally encourages users to post the most engagement bait they can, which tends to be inflammatory and utterly lacking in depth or nuance.

I think this is also a reason why X has gotten worse. They pay people for engagement.

by sarjann 4mo ago

I think this is also a reason why X has gotten worse. They pay people for engagement.

stronglikedan 4mo ago

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selectodude 4mo ago
You get both the white nationalist and the antisemite sides, yes.
- vlian2088 4mo ago
  as opposed to ye olde twitter where only wholesome racism was allowed https://web.archive.org/web/20181130015402/https://pasteboard.co/HzdB4wI.png https://web.archive.org/web/20181130015402/https://pasteboar... https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011518/https://pasteboard.co/HzdBkuf.png https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011518/https://pasteboar... https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011519/https://pasteboard.co/HzdBAUN.png https://web.archive.org/web/20180827011519/https://pasteboar...
  - andai 4mo ago
    Well they defined racism as "you can only be racist if you have power" and they defined having power as being white, so this is totally kosher.
  - selectodude 4mo ago
    I have this magical ability to think lots of people can suck simultaneously. I’m also able to separate the power and ability to inflict damage of a bunch of shitheads on twitter from the White House and the first ever trillionaire.
    - vlian2088 4mo ago
      [flagged]
      - selectodude 4mo ago
        No. I don’t think it’s at all okay or fair that the wealthiest man in the world can push great replacement conspiracies and endorse the murder of immigrants (non-white South African division).
        vlian2088 4mo ago
        why should he alone be excluded from being able to use the media outlet he owns to promote his agenda? everyone else is doing it.
    - AlexeyBelov 4mo ago
      Don't feed the trolls please
jdiff 4mo ago
Paid to engage is a reference to the creator revenue sharing that encourages mass-appeal and ragebait content. X is not a meritocracy of ideas, either.
13hunteo 4mo ago
X pays you for engagement if you have the premium subscription. Anyone with a verification symbol will be earning money from significant engagement, hence the rise of engagement bait on the platform.
palmotea 4mo ago
> It's actually gotten better for those of us that value all sides of a given story so we can come to our own conclusions, instead of parroting stuff we hear in bubbles. 1. A different bubble is still a bubble. 2. Regardless of political leanings, paying for engagement is a really bad sign. > I don't know anyone that's paid to engage, including myself. So? You don't have to know anyone being paid for it to be happening. The people who are really motivated by that are often poor by western standards and living on the other side of the world from you. Facebook also pays for engagement, and what that's lead to is stuff like AI-generated shrimp Jesus and fake "I made this" memes, created by guys in India that don't even know English and don't own a computer. They throw crap at the wall from their cell phones to see what sticks, then do more of that. IIRC the same thing happens for politics. Just the other day I read that a lot of popular "Alberta separatist" accounts are run by people who don't even live in Canada. They just use AI and shamelessly copy posts made by other accounts.
mcintyre1994 4mo ago
Assuming you already pay for 'verification' on X, you just need to get more followers/impressions and then you'll start being paid based on your impressions. If you know/follow anyone with the 'verified' checkmark who has a lot of followers, they'll be getting paid for impressions.
Cthulhu_ 4mo ago
How do you know / ensure you're getting all sides of the story? For one, many people have left the platform already because of its owner and policies, so you're not hearing those sides anymore. > I don't know anyone that's paid to engage, including myself. Anecdotal; people get paid / pay to post and promote certain content. But that's nothing new on social media. That said, escaping or avoiding bubbles is good, just be sure you're actually out.
- plagiarist 4mo ago
  As soon as they find the side of the story they already agree with they know that the platform is a marketplace of ideas instead of a bubble.
- fg137 4mo ago
  They don't. What they actually mean by "all sides" is "my side" (that is not typically allowed/supported on other platforms, for reasons they don't want to go into)
virgildotcodes 4mo ago
Do you think it will be a net social benefit for people to be taught 2 + 2 = 4 and 2 + 2 = 5 with equal weight, and let them come to their own conclusions? How about if the person who owns the educational institution puts their thumb on the 2 + 2 = 5 side of the balance for their own ends?

Sharlin 4mo ago

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jdiff 4mo ago
Mechahitler sure isn't helping.
- TightFibre 4mo ago
  @slop put Twitter in SS bikini.
- dcrazy 4mo ago
  I haven’t been on Twitter since before Elon took over. Do most users ever interact with Grok?
  - jdiff 4mo ago
    It waxes and it wanes, but people breathlessly asking Grok "IS THIS TRUE??" is prevalent. People often call on Grok to argue their points for them. The interaction is inflicted.
    - freakynit 4mo ago
      Meme context: https://x.com/BrunoCendon/status/1926883516890898637 https://x.com/BrunoCendon/status/1926883516890898637
    - Forgeties79 4mo ago
      Then they get upset when grok doesn’t agree with Trump/musk and call a computer “woke”
nkozyra 4mo ago
Provide financial incentives to make it worse.
virgildotcodes 4mo ago
I'm not sure if you actually haven't checked it since, but will give you the benefit of the doubt. Accounts pushing white supremacy, the reversion of women's rights, hatred towards other on the basis of their race or religion, climate change denial, denial of science and promotion of pseudoscience, etc etc. are heavily promoted across the platform and get millions of engagements. If you create a new account, the majority of the accounts you are shown and suggested to follow will be those pushing the above. They've switched to a model of paying their users for engagement, which naturally encourages users to post the most engagement bait they can, which tends to be inflammatory and utterly lacking in depth or nuance.