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The entire article doesn't once stipulate that the grounds for banning a Chinese owned car is having telemetry that phones home to China. Maybe Volvo still doe
by WarmWash 4mo ago
The entire article doesn't once stipulate that the grounds for banning a Chinese owned car is having telemetry that phones home to China.
Maybe Volvo still does and it's a mystery why they can still sell here. Maybe Volvo doesn't and there is no story here.
But if the car talks to China and gets updates from China, the US doesn't care if it's built here.
- stephbook 4mo agoDo you have an official announcement this is the case or are you just making excuses for this administration?
- pegasus 4mo agoHe's just saying the article does not even discuss this vital distinction, let alone bring evidence either way.
- stephbook 4mo agoIt's impossible to prove the nonexistance and mentioning hearsay wouldn't be good. The onus is on the commentator to substantiate his claims of there being a rationale.
- juliusceasar 4mo agoWell, that is not true. The 'nonexistance' part. All new car phone home, and that is somewhere on the world.
- xethos 4mo agoIronic coming from the country with three domestic OEMs, and routinely threatens economic annexation of my country
- idiotsecant 4mo agoIt also doesn't discuss if the polestar was made of asbestos or if it was dangerous to unicorn spawning habitat.
- WarmWash 4mo agohttps://www.bis.gov/connected-vehicles https://www.bis.gov/connected-vehicles It is from the Biden era too, nothing to do with "this administration". Just common sense governing.
- Anoian 4mo agoThe audacity of the USA to do this to the entire world but banning anything foreign that does it to them.
- mikrotikker 4mo agoIt's good to be on top.
- ArtemZ 4mo agoIsn't it logical though?
- mrtnmcc 4mo agoWhat does it even mean to "get updates from China"? Software these days is distributed and globalized in virtually every sense. Polestar is headquartered in Sweden and much of their software development is in the UK.
- chvid 4mo agoThere are no concrete guidelines or rules as this article illustrates.
- eps 4mo agoIt means that Polestar's ultimate owner is a state-aligned Chinese conglomerate. The devs, in the UK or not, will do what it tells them to do.
- crote 4mo agoVolvo's ultimate owner is the same state-aligned Chinese conglomerate. The question isn't "why ban Polestar", it is "why ban Polestar without banning Volvo". They are both headquartered in Sweden, they are both owned by the same conglomerate, and they are often even both manufactured in the same factories. So what makes them different enough to warrant banning only one of them?
- graemep 4mo agoFrom other comments where telemetry goes to, and possibly the level of remote control in the cars. It appears to be a general ban on "connected vehicles" controlled from certain countries even if built in the US[1], so I would guess that Volvo does not meet the criteria for that. 1. https://www.topgear.com/car-news/usa/polestar-has-been-banned-selling-its-cars-us https://www.topgear.com/car-news/usa/polestar-has-been-banne...
- neogodless 4mo agoMy Polestar has the word "Volvo" on several parts. They share a software stack and get the same updates.
- idiotsecant 4mo agoThis is a remarkable opinion. If we have problems with consumer-hostile behaviour like tracking users, remotely disabling vehicles, or other things like that we should outlaw those behaviours in products used in the US. We will never do that because Western auto manufacturers want to be able to behave badly in the same way Chinese manufacturers might and they have a firm grasp on the American governments leash. 'Its from China' is a dumb reason not to allow a product into the market. If there are specific features, standards, etc that should be followed, enforce those.
- graemep 4mo agoI agree with you that consumer hostile behaviour should be illegal. Realistically, governments want this because it gives them more control so its not going to happen. "its from China" is a good reason for many countries. A lot of countries are currently worried about their dependence on the US. They would have a lot more to worry about if they were dependent on China. Is it a good idea for European countries to put themselves in a position where China could disable half the vehicles in their country? The same for every Asian country that might have a dispute with China. Just borrowing money from China has proved to be a disaster for some Asian countries even without a dispute.
- idiotsecant 4mo agoI'm gonna blow your mind here... Perhaps we need open firmware in our devices so we know if China, the US government, or Google is adding backdoors to the hardware we own? Why is it that when we deal with China it's acceptable not to trust the vendor but when we buy from literally anyone else we have to accept the enormous number of backdoors and implicit spying that comes with it? China isn't the problem. The perverse incentives created when we don't own our own gear is.
- graemep 4mo ago> I'm gonna blow your mind here... Perhaps we need open firmware in our devices so we know if China, the US government, or Google is adding backdoors to the hardware we own? Yes, dream on. How are you going to politically push through something very few people even understand? I covered this is in the first line of my comment. > Why is it that when we deal with China it's acceptable not to trust the vendor but when we buy from literally anyone else we have to accept the enormous number of backdoors and implicit spying that comes with it? You have to accept it from someone. You seem to have missed my point that for many people (and countries) trusting Chinese vendors is worse than trusting the alternatives.
- consumer451 4mo agoHonest question: what would prevent the CCP from buying telemetry on the open data market via intermediaries, from cars that were made in the USA?
- wolvoleo 4mo agoNothing but there they don't get to pick and choose what they want to log. But yeah this thing is likely more protectionism.
- consumer451 4mo agoLast I checked everything is logged in the USA. If you want to make a data play in the USA, why wouldn't you log and sell everything? IIRC, the Subaru US EULA even included intimate activity.
- wolvoleo 4mo agoLol really? That's terrible. I would so rip out the 5G module after buying a car. In fact I'm currently having these annoying spam calls from my ISP because I replaced their shitty fibre modem with my own ONT and Unifi router. But now they're constantly calling me to make a maintenance visit because they think it's down. I tried telling them once but apparently this is not an option in their stupid scripts. I just blocked their number in my phone in the end.
- jruz 4mo agoBut having my Tesla made in Europe phone the US is totally fine right?
- vrganj 4mo agoIt's crazy to me there hasn't been a backlash against that yet
- m2f2 4mo ago.... but having all of EU defense including F35s calling in home in Trump US before every mission is totally fine right?
- graemep 4mo agoThere is no such thing as EU defence - EU states have their own forces. The main defensive alliance in Europe is NATO, and the most important NATO country is the US.
- type0 4mo agoFor Northern Europe there's UK led JEF https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Expeditionary_Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Expeditionary_Force
- graemep 4mo agoLess important than NATO, and not EU either - 10 countries, six of which are in the EU, three including the lead country are not.
- psadauskas 4mo agoAs an American citizen, I'm _far_ less uncomfortable with the Chinese government having my telemetry data than I am with the US. In fact, they're just one step above "nobody has my data", and far, far below "US Government" and "any US-based big tech company". The Chinese government has no control over my life, and the US government thinks I'm a terrorist.