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>my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode What does it mean? If a drug reduces your desire to eat food, wouldn't it also decrease your desire to ea
by faangguyindia 4mo ago
>my body and mind are no longer is in starvation mode
What does it mean? If a drug reduces your desire to eat food, wouldn't it also decrease your desire to eat food beneficial for your body?
I think the effect most people want is to stop craving junk food but still eat nutritious food required for muscle growth and health.
- ceejayoz 4mo agoWhat if you could intentionally eat good food? I've heard it widely described as reducing mental noise around food.
- mycall 4mo agoPeople can get fat by eating too much healthy food.
- faangguyindia 4mo agotrue but you'll struggle getting tons of calories out of whole foods. This is why mass gainers are popular, underweight people find it hard to gain weight so they dirty bulking using fast food which is often calorie dense. Eating healthy food alone isn't solution, you need to make your life active as well.
- theturtletalks 4mo agoThe glycemic index also comes into play. It essentially measures how much certain foods keeps you full regardless of calories. So healthy food, even if you’re consuming the same calories as junk food, is going to keep you full longer.
- imajoo 3mo agoSorry but isn’t GI about how “sugary” a food is…? I don’t believe it doesn’t measure to do how full you feel. https://www.verywellhealth.com/glycemic-index-vs-load-5214363 https://www.verywellhealth.com/glycemic-index-vs-load-521436...
- s1artibartfast 3mo agoNot directly but they can be related. GI is about how quickly the carbs in food are metabolized and how quickly sugar is released into the blood. Blood sugars spikes then drops can have different impacts on food appetite.
- s1artibartfast 3mo agoThis has never been my problem. I can easily eat 5k calories of whole foods
- faangguyindia 3mo agoWhat do you eat in those 5000kcal calories? Genuinely curious.
- amanaplanacanal 3mo agoI don't think I could do it, but 3.5 cups of peanut butter would get you there. Or four 16 ounce ribeyes.
- s1artibartfast 3mo agoIt doesnt have to be one sitting. Eat 2500 diet and add a cup of roast nuts twice a day and you are basically there. Moreover, you dont need to eat anywhere close to 5k to be morbidly obese. 1 cup of roast nuts over TDEE will gain you 100lbs in a couple short years
- faangguyindia 3mo agoAssuming you maintain same activity level, the increase in weight wouldn't be that simple. TDEE rises as body weight rises (heavier body burns more) Overfeeding increases NEAT in some people (more fidgeting, movement)
- s1artibartfast 3mo agoI cup over TDEE will always be more as it raises
- s1artibartfast 3mo agoas an aexample, I once ate a 5lb tritip over an afternoon, and that isnt counting breakfast or sides
- chiply314 3mo agoSome don't get at all what calories are. In some video a woman was eating 8-10 Oranges a day just as a snack on the side. No knowledge about sugar or calroies, just the thought "but its a fruit its health". No fruits are not healthy
- 7bit 3mo agoYour first sent once and your last sentence don't align. Yes. Fruits are healthy. One orange is healthy. 10 oranges are unhealthy. Same concept applies to water. Drinking too much can be unhealthy as well, but that doesn't change the fact that water is good.
- watwut 3mo ago> 10 oranges are unhealthy You made that up tho.
- 7bit 3mo agoI know Math is hard for you, so let me explain it: 10 oranges have a total of roughly 700 calories and 120 grams of sugar while only having 30 grams of fiber. It's mainly sugar. Eating 10 oranges per day crowds out protein, fat and other nutrients. It's not a made up claim. You are a made up claim, troll.
- mathgeek 3mo ago> Eating 10 oranges per day I know it ends up as pedantry, but specifying the period with every post/restatement is so critical in these threads. 10 oranges a day is unhealthy, but so is 10 oranges a year to someone trying to make a counter point.
- 7bit 3mo agoNot my responsibility to make sure people with read deficiencies are able to follow a discussion.
- butlike 3mo agoI don't think you'll struggle to get tons of calories out of whole foods, but you'll be satiated faster eating whole foods, which will in all practicality, mean you ate less.
- fouc 3mo agoI think there's a bit of a caveat there, because that basically means eating reasonably high calorie food in sufficient quantities that starts violating the "healthy food" definition.
- babuskov 3mo agoThat's the problem with the definition of "healthy". No single food is "healthy" on it's own. It's a wrong way to look at it and why most people fail at finding a good diet. There's no super food you can just eat unlimited amounts of. A diet can be healthy if it's the nutrient combination of different foods that result in certain number of calories, protein, fat, carbs, minerals and vitamins per unit of time.
- Bombthecat 3mo agoWasn't there just a study, that many fat kids are fat because of fruit juices? Healthy in a way, but surprisingly a lot of sugar ( either added or from the fruits)
- econ 3mo agoThere was a study comparing big and small eaters with and without obesitas. Turns out that skinny people who eat a lot eat also eat a lot of fat and protein and that fat people who eat almost nothing eat mostly carbs and sugar.
- mathgeek 3mo agoLink to the study would help that claim, when you have a chance.
- lotsofpulp 3mo agoFruit juices are not healthy in any way, precisely because of the sugar density and lack of fiber which leads to easy overconsumption. https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/139/6/e20170967/38754/Fruit-Juice-in-Infants-Children-and-Adolescents?autologincheck=redirected https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/139/6/e20170... >Pediatricians should support policies that seek to reduce the consumption of fruit juice and promote the consumption of whole fruit by toddlers and young children already exposed to juices.
- unparagoned 3mo agoFruit juice isn’t considered healthy. It has worse health outcomes than soda
- ThrowawayTestr 3mo agoYou'd have to eat a lot of broccoli
- ethbr1 3mo ago> People can get fat by eating too much healthy food. It's a lot harder, as many of the comments mentioned, because of caloric density and lack of appetite hacks (sugar, salt). A can of Mountain Dew is 170 kcal + 46g of sugar. A navel orange is ~75 kcal + 13g of sugar + 3.2g of fiber + 1.25g of protein. So take someone from Appalachia with a 4 can / day habit (modest), and that's ~10-12 oranges. That's a lot of oranges to not get sick of eating. Which is where I think the sugar + salt difference comes in. It's far easier to overload on the same food when it's stuffed with these appetite attractants than a caloric equivalent of healthy food, because the health food will taste more similar (read: like itself), which will eventually get boring.
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- unparagoned 3mo agoNot really the fiber and stuff is normally too filling
- bevesce- 3mo agoIt is for some people, it's not for some other. I could get overweight overeating carrots and lettuce if I was not controlling myself constantly.
- Jensson 3mo agoSome fibers are not very filling, they just go through the guys quickly and you are hungry again a couple of hours later.
- GeoAtreides 3mo agoname the fibers, the meal and the quantity if you one broccoli head with one pound of icecream then sure, you will feel hungry again quite soon
- gavinray 3mo agoI consumed +11lbs (5.1kg) of food yesterday for only 2,500kcal If you have a stomach and appetite that are capable of consuming the 15 to 20 lb you need to eat 3,500 to 4,000 calories of similar foods, you ought to call a research lab
- Jensson 3mo agoNuts are healthy to eat, its easy to eat 4000 calories of nuts. Healthy doesn't mean low calories.
- s1artibartfast 3mo agoIn what world does that prove you cant get fat eating "healthy" or "whole" foods? 1) you didnt eat the most calorie dense foods 2) you dont need crazy calories to get fat, just above your burn rate. What part are you confused about?
- simiones 3mo ago2500 kcal is waaaayyy above the TDEE of most people (especially most women - who hover around 1200-1500 TDEE; but even for men, 2000 TDEE is quite common for a regular office worker lifestyle). So most people would get quite fat quite rapidly eating that.
- testbjjl 4mo agoIntentionally eating good food is a lot more about where your head is at than what you’re eating, like any other devices. You can better understand the mentality of a person by their diet that they evolved through personal experience.
- sublinear 4mo agoIf you want the real answer, people suck at shopping for groceries and don't know how or want to cook. Long before LLMs, there was a different but similarly misguided hype around making food more convenient. Making money off ignorance is not "innovation", but we live in a world convinced by arrogant and pretentious fearmongering liars. As always, just do it yourself. It's not that hard after all.
- rnewme 4mo agoDo you know what food noise is?
- faangguyindia 4mo agoDoes food noise exist in active tribal people (if so why they have less proportion of obese people?) or is it something which happens to sedentary people?
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- solumunus 4mo agoDoes drug addiction? Because food noise should be viewed through that lens, and I’m no expert but I suspect our modern non tribal life and culture is the root of our abundant addiction issues.
- kube-system 4mo agoI suspect it does, but their ability to act upon it is significantly different. Perhaps if they had hot pockets and Taco Bell, they would have similar problems. Addiction-like behaviors related to food transcend not only human culture but also even other species.
- sublinear 4mo agoYes. I'm saying that it goes away when you fix your diet. Do you know what nutrients are? Deficiencies are the cause of the noise. This is an evolutionary feature, not a bug. Your body is expecting you to keep eating alternatives until you eventually stumble onto the foods that make you feel better and then keep eating those. In severe cases you might need more patience with the right foods, but if you already feel like crap and you know you just started barely eating healthier, why stop now? This search process has been somewhat disrupted by our modern environment, but it's not like the good food isn't right there. On the other hand, you don't need trial and error anymore. There's plenty of information available. You can even go see a doctor and get a blood test to confirm both your deficiencies and everything else I just said. Does that answer your question? EDIT: to reply to replies below and I am "posting too fast"... TLDR: Y'all need to see a doctor. I used to weigh 400 lbs, had a bad enough drinking problem to cause numbness in my legs (B12 deficiency to boot), and a sky high A1C. I recovered 100% after a decade of this self abuse. Doctor didn't bat an eye back then nor when I recovered a couple of years later. They see it all the time and my "success" story is very common. Most of us understandably find this all too embarrassing to shout about online. We'd get drowned out by influencers trying to sell you crap anyway. Also, sorry not trying to be callous, but long term deficiencies can cause permanent damage. If you're still experiencing "food noise" after a serious attempt at a planned diet (and magically never had any other symptoms warning you of the impending damage) I have some doubts, but that's a whole different topic.
- kube-system 4mo agoIt does which is why medically supervised weight loss with GLP1s includes diet recommendations to mitigate this. But in my experience, decreased cravings make it easier to choose food rationally. The food noise that causes people to overeat usually doesn’t cause them to overeat healthy foods anyway.
- Jensson 3mo ago> But in my experience, decreased cravings make it easier to choose food rationally. The food noise that causes people to overeat usually doesn’t cause them to overeat healthy foods anyway. "Food noise" is much more than just craving calories, we have cravings for most of the different nutrients we need. That is how people ate a balanced diet in history even though it was much harder to do back then, peasants craved meat and vegetables even though it was easier to just eat potatoes for calories.
- kube-system 3mo agoMy doctor explicitly does target my dosing to “make sure I don’t lose my appetite entirely, but just reduce the food noise” I think there’s a distinct difference between what people are describing as “food noise” and a normal appetite.
- mathgeek 3mo agoAnecdotal, but I think we need to consider that modern marketing and supply chains have a huge impact here. Without any cravings control, my mind was perfectly happy craving burgers, fries, and pizza 24/7 for thirty years. It hated every bite of veggies.
- solumunus 4mo agoSpecifically for me it makes junk food unpleasant. My diet is now impeccable. I hardly ever have a takeaway and if I do it needs to be something that is not greasy and is good clean food. I also find drinking alcohol much less pleasant. I still drink sometimes but after a few beers or glasses of wine it starts to become very unappealing and I stop. I do bodybuilding and I’m still getting my 150g of protein in. I’m barely overweight and I’m losing weight very slowly but I’ve decided I’m likely to stay on GLP’s long term, if not forever, just because the lifestyle changes have been so incredibly good. Perhaps this helps dispel the myth that GLP drugs inherently = relentless starvation.
- faangguyindia 3mo ago[flagged]
- chiply314 3mo agoWOW good for you! Man if everyone would just be like you. That would mean no one would need something like GLPs eh?
- theshrike79 3mo agoPeople are different. Weird, right? I have a friend who was literally ordered, by a doctor, to eat as much fat as they could because they were too skinny. They're the type of person for whom food is 100% fuel and they can just stop mid-burger and not eat the second half because "they don't feel like it". I'm not like that. Leaving half a burger that I paid for on the plate is something I've never done or even considered a possibility that any sane person would do.
- ethbr1 3mo agoSame. College nutritionist: "I'm going to give you the opposite advice of everyone else. If you can add butter to something, do it." Then add in a fast metabolism. Until middle age, I literally couldn't eat enough food that I remotely enjoyed to hit target weight for my height. I guess the easiest way to describe my subjective experience is that the "You're hungry, eat" audio channel is turned waaay down in my brain, to the extent that anything moderately attention-capturing overrides it (a project, reading, hiking, tv, etc). I'll feel the physical and psychological symptoms of hunger (body feels cold, irritable, low energy) before I'll feel the signal to eat. I'd be fascinated to get my gut biome sequenced + see my natural GLP-1 levels, as I've always been like this.
- planckscnst 4mo agoYou don't desire to brush your teeth (at least not in the way that you desire to consume calorie-dense foods). But you manage to still do it anyway. (maybe not you specifically, but people in general) You can make the same choice about nutrition. The lowered desire makes it easier/possible to do this
- lrasinen 4mo agoMy personal experience is like getting eye glasses for your appetite. Easier to eat reasonably sized portions and they're nutritionally well-balanced. Also the late night cravings are more specific: instead of vague "need to eat something", it's "I'd love a tomato" or "mmm yogurt" or "actually a load of carbs would hit the spot".
- seanmcdirmid 3mo agoYou lose your appetite but can still shove things in your pie hole. You just have to make an effort to shove vegetables and protein in, rather than making an effort resist eating junk food.
- raffael_de 3mo agoconsidering what we have been learning about the importance of a working gut brain axis I'd be highly worried about Ozempic harming this connection.
- fragmede 3mo agowhatever we learned about gut brain axis dysfunctionality? I thought most of the biggest findings were in that it exists in the first place.
- raffael_de 3mo agothe term "gut feeling" exists for a reason. the findings substantiated this colloquial wisdom and its relevance ... the article hints at it by associating mental disorders with gut microbiome. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it turns out that Ozempic et al. harm this gut/brain cooperation ... I'd bet on it.
- fragmede 3mo agoHow much and how long do you want the bet you go for? How do you even want to define "harms". Let's say there's a road from the gut to the brain. If today's ultra processed food is motorcycles ripping down the road as fast as possible, and Ozempic is the police, saying whoa there, slow down, buddy, then from the POV of the motorcyclists that's harmful, but for everyone else around them, that's good.
- raffael_de 3mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
- fragmede 3mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies I can link to Wikipedia too. Which part is the straw man?