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'Careless People' author claims Meta surveilled her for 12mos to enforce silence
https://archive.ph/LqnaQ https://archive.ph/LqnaQ
- Avicebron 4mo agoMaybe we can start calling the Streisand effect the Careless People effect as a modern update and way to keep Zuckerino annoyed
- stogot 4mo agoIt works. This reminded me to queue up her book
- rpdillon 4mo agoJust finished it! Been camping since Thursday, so had time to read. I expected it to sort of decline in intensity as I got closer to the end, but it's pretty darn fascinating the whole way. Highly recommended. I'd support the Careless People effect.
- stogot 4mo agoCurious what other books you’d recommend?
- _russross 4mo agoI read Careless People and then Character Limit: How Elon Musk Destroyed Twitter and they felt like a good pairing. "Character Limit" is also one of the best book titles ever. I highly recommend both.
- SanjayMehta 4mo agoMusk renamed Twitter. It's still around so that book title needs an update.
- bigyabai 4mo agoX is a derelict brand. I've got little love for Dorsey and Twitter, but the current website is a flaming wreckage where Twitter once stood.
- SanjayMehta 4mo agoIt's usable if you judiciously use lists. I found mastodon inconsistent in timely information and Bluesky is Dorsey's loonies on crack.
- bigyabai 4mo agoPeople said that Twitter was usable if you filtered out the cryptocurrency scams with lists. I think both types of users are in denial about how awful their website is, it's a "frying pan vs fire" situation.
- SanjayMehta 4mo ago[dead]
- swingboy 4mo agoNice try, Barbra.
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoGood idea. I'm gonna start doing this.
- d-cc 4mo ago>Sarah Wynn-Williams served as director of global public policy at Facebook, now operating under parent company Meta Platforms Inc., from 2011 until her firing in 2017. “Careless People” alleges cruel and otherwise disturbing behavior by CEO Mark Zuckerberg and other executives. I would have liked to learn about specific allegations of "cruel and otherwise disturbing" from the article, instead of leaving this completely ambiguous. If you know, you know.
- alilleybrinker 4mo agoIt’s in the book. That’s the entire point of the book.
- sam_lowry_ 4mo agoSo...any spoilers?
- tough 4mo agoSo you're impliedly stating the article merely acts as a vehicle to advertise this book?
- d-cc 4mo agoI just asked gemini. >Her memoir claims that former COO Sheryl Sandberg spent $13,000 on lingerie for herself and a young female assistant during a corporate trip to Europe, and later asked that assistant to join her in "the only bed on the plane" during a private jet flight home. Sounds about right. If only you knew how bad things are. If there are any executives reading this who have, been allowed to, notice chunks of their memory missing recently: there's a chance we made you do worse. And that's okay.
- jordanb 4mo agoOne good example: Facebook was ignoring Brazilian law. An employee in brazil was arrested and charged with contempt. He spent a while in jail. Zuck started posting about the guy being a martyr for free expression while the lawyers trying to negotiate the release begged him to keep quiet. Eventually the guy gets released and is invited to California to meet Zuck. Except by that time Zuck had forgotten all about it and ignored the guy.
- ChrisArchitect 4mo agoMost of the related discussion today: Zuckerberg's Increasingly Bizarre War on Whistleblowers https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48698684 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48698684
- bko 4mo agoShe was a Director of Global Public Policy from 2011 to 2017. Probably cleaned up. On the arbitration, they mentioned there was 300k in business expense reimbursement. Signed an NDA, went through arbitration, got paid out pretty nicely and now wants to cash in 10 years after the fact? Claimed it was signed due to "financial distress". Give me a break. I'm sure this will be unpopular, but imagine the liability some employees are? Some person that shook you down comes back ten years later and writes a book about how everyone there is awful. Here's an excerpt from another article: > Careless People is full of revelations about the gross institutional misconduct of Facebook, including its knowing encouragement of a genocide in Myanmar. But it's also full of stories about the severe personal failings of Facebook's executive team, especially Sheryl Sandberg, Joel Kaplan and Mark Zuckerberg. > These three come off as the most colossal of assholes, cruel, petty and predatory. Sandberg comes across as a sexual abuser who dreams of trafficking in poor people's organs. Kaplan is an oaf whose plan to provide paid internet access to refugee camps falls apart once he learns that refugees in camps don't have any money (he also takes points off of Wynn-Williams' workplace evaluation for being "unresponsive" over a period when she was in a near-death coma). Worst of all, though, is Zuckerberg, whose sins range from cheating at Settlers of Catan to endangering the Colombian peace process after a 50-year civil war because he refused to get out of bed before noon. Zuck is also revealed to have given the Chinese state access to all of Facebook and the power to censor content they disliked, as part of a failed bid to get permission to offer a Facebook service in China. Be careful who you hire.
- jasonvorhe 4mo agoAnd after reading the Epstein files you don't think any of this happened and might be relevant considering their power?
- digdugdirk 4mo agoBe careful who you hire??? What part of that last paragraph seems like acceptable human behaviour for a handful of the most powerful people in the world?
- FireBeyond 4mo ago> he also takes points off of Wynn-Williams' workplace evaluation for being "unresponsive" over a period when she was in a near-death coma To be fair, this happens all over the scale. Back when I was an EMT making not much more than minimum wage, I had to call out of a shift (and eventually get taken to the ER by my partner for what turned out to be large - 13mm - kidney stone). And when that hospital didn't have available urology, they had me transferred by one of our ambulances to another, for surgery that night, which was aborted because of long-standing infection found. So I was catheterized, admitted on IV antibiotics, sometime after 1am. Around 7am my room phone rings. It's my supervisor, because I'm meant to be on shift today. "Oh, hey, I saw we transferred you last night." Chit chat. "So, am I to assume then that you're not going to be able to make it to shift today?" Me, waiting for a hint of humor, none. "You should make sure to call out. Were you able to find coverage? Oh, well, I guess we'll make it work". Brother, you called me at 7am on a hospital room phone asking if I was planning to make it to my shift at 7.30am and after hearing about me being loaded to the gills on painkillers, taken to another hospital where they called a urologist in near midnight on the 4th of July to operate that night, have me on an IV antibiotic drip and you're chastising me for not being able to find coverage?
- ipython 4mo agoI wish sites would link to the docket to provide a primary source. Here’s the complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.472927/gov.uscourts.cand.472927.1.0_1.pdf https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.47...
- Waterluvian 4mo agoNot linking to the docket/filing is a thing that “LawTwitter” absolutely melts down over. There’s some court reporters that consistently do a good job. The rest just don’t want you clicking away.
- LorenPechtel 4mo agoI wondered what she was calling "duress". Meta made executing this Severance Agreement a condition to Ms. Wynn-Williams’s ability to submit for reimbursement over $300,000 in pre-approved business expenses she had paid using her personal funds, including luxury hotel rooms and other travel expenses for Mr. Zuckerberg and fellow Meta executives. Yeah, that's duress in my book.
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- nosioptar 4mo agoIt's also a really good reminder that you shouldn't be fronting money to your employer. They want you to travel? Then the pig fuckers can pony up the airfare/hotel/food money up front.
- FreakLegion 4mo agoExperienced business travelers want to use their personal credit cards so they get the points, and scaled businesses overwhelmingly disallow this, because they want that value for themselves.
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- arkhiver 4mo agoarchived: https://nonogra.ph/former-executive-sues-meta-over-attempts-to-silence-her-memoir-careless-people-06-27-2026 https://nonogra.ph/former-executive-sues-meta-over-attempts-...
- kev009 4mo agoJust keep hitting it with RICO lawsuits. The money they piss away on the vanity projects should probably have always been going to risk management.
- asveikau 4mo agoSeems like exactly what they'd do if the claims weren't true, am I right?
- CharlesW 4mo agoThe opposite. If the claims weren't true, they'd have sued her for libel.
- asveikau 4mo agoIt was a sarcastic comment. I read the book last year and I believe almost every word.
- sieabahlpark 4mo ago[dead]
- tlogan 4mo agoSo she is trying to make money by selling a book about how Facebook is bad, meaning how the company only cares about profit and nothing else. I can already tell it has to be one of the most boring books ever written, because there is nothing new there. It is basically like writing a book that says: the sky is blue and water is wet.
- derwiki 4mo agoIt was very well written and I plowed through it in just a few days. It’s probably more than you think, like the part about Sheryl making her reports cuddle in bed with her.
- marciob 4mo agoI haven’t read it yet, but I don’t think the value of a book is defined on weather the main claim is already known. Knowing that something is good or bad doesn’t undermine the value of a book about it. You can get value by having an additional perspective, understanding the strategy, modus operandi, or the mechanics behind it. For example, I’m currently reading 'Why We Sleep'. Obviously we all know that sleep is good for health, but reading the book gave me better ways to understand how good it is, analyze my own sleep quality and what I can do to improve it, and very importnat: show me how I can use ti to leverage other parts of life, like learning or emotional regulation. It’s not just “sleep 8 hours a day.” So I imagine something similar might happen with her book, even if you already know some companies use questionable tactics, it can still be useful to understand those tactics, how companies avoid getting caught, how similar patterns might appear elsewhere, etc. It can also make you reflect on which limits are acceptable or unacceptable, depending on your political views.
- DGCA 4mo agoNew York Times best seller, well received by critics, good reviews on Goodreads and Audible, hundreds of thousands of copies sold. Reductionism can often lead to naive presuppositions.
- _HMCB_ 4mo agoInternet, enable Streisand-effect mode.
- LogicFailsMe 4mo agoI could get a significant pay boost jumping to META, why I personally know 2 people with those fancy 8-figure comp packages. However, life is too short for the shenanigans that would ensue if I did.
- beepboopboop 4mo agoJust do it and do a very mediocre job
- LogicFailsMe 4mo agoI'd be lying if I said I've never been tempted, but I'm just too old to put up with it now.
- neves 4mo agoI'm interested that people still work for Facebook
- nerdyadventurer 4mo agoLot keep grinding leetcode to get six figures and FAANG on resume, most do not have moral compass, they are no different than politicians who get AIPAC money.
- DonsDiscountGas 4mo agoMedian pay is $390k
- tasuki 4mo agoShe was happy to receive (a lot of) (dirty) Facebook money as an executive. Now she's turned against Facebook and does everything possible to get publicity. Yes maybe she's right. But also she's playing as dirty as Facebook.
- Gud 4mo agoHow is this relevant to Facebook spying on her? We should encourage whistleblowers in these abominations (“unicorns” LOL!)
- silexia 4mo agoLooks like a lying disgruntled employee. But everyone here is employees so they all jump on the salacious side.