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Open-source is also altruistic. If DeepSeek does become self-serving once they get the top spot, it doesn’t take away from the altruistic contributions that the

Open-source is also altruistic. If DeepSeek does become self-serving once they get the top spot, it doesn’t take away from the altruistic contributions that they made towards open models.

brookst 4mo ago
And ultimately the motivation for those contributions just doesn’t matter, except to those who like to anthropomorphize company and argue about their souls.
- Dibby053 4mo ago
  People who donated to OpenAI in its early years might disagree on that.
- kelipso 4mo ago
  Or if they want to do anything close to predicting what they will do in the future, like curious and interested humans tend to want to do.
wqaatwt 4mo ago
> Open-source is also altruistic Contributing to it might not necessarily be. Most open source development is funded by large companies after all and from their perspective it can function as a cost saving measure. Allowing them to focus on their core products and removing the possibility of their rivals from getting a competitive advantage due to having a superior low level stack under their product. Which is why open source is so successful in areas where software is a cost-center but mostly failed for consumer products (since spending resources on them would actually be altruistic unlike e.g. Linux kernel development)
- spongebobstoes 4mo ago
  altruism is not discernable from the outside any altruistic act can be perceived as self serving
threethirtytwo 4mo ago
No parent is right. The core root driver of the world is capitalism, open source exists downstream of that. Software engineers need money to survive. If they exclusively work on open source stuff where are they getting money from to survive? Follow the money trail… even a donation… eventually it leads to an incentive based source or action.
- mejutoco 4mo ago
  > If they exclusively work on open source stuff where are they getting money from to survive? From open source. You can earn money from open source. Open source is not opposed to capitalism, idk where you got that idea.
  - threethirtytwo 4mo ago
    Young blood, allow me to explain. I said open source is derivative to capitalism. Meaning open source cannot exist without capitalism. I never said they oppose each other. Second I said you need to follow the money trail. Money given to people who work on open source comes from non-open source places.
    - mejutoco 4mo ago
      > I never said they oppose each other. Are you not implying below, with your words, that working exclusively on open source cannot bring money? > If they exclusively work on open source stuff where are they getting money from to survive? You seem to imply that open source is incompatible with making money. You seem to believe that if someone is making money they are not doing "exclusively open source" but something else in addition to open source. > you need to follow the money trail. Money given to people who work on open source comes from non-open source places. Money spent on coffee comes from non-coffee places, mostly. Does that mean one cannot make money exclusively selling coffee? I get your point, it is very uncommon to live only of open source. That I can agree with. It is the exaggeration and dogmatism that is untrue.
      - 4mo ago

Open-source is also altruistic. If DeepSeek does become self-serving once they get the top spot, it doesn’t take away from the altruistic contributions that they made towards open models.

brookst 4mo ago

And ultimately the motivation for those contributions just doesn’t matter, except to those who like to anthropomorphize company and argue about their souls.

Dibby053 4mo ago
People who donated to OpenAI in its early years might disagree on that.
kelipso 4mo ago
Or if they want to do anything close to predicting what they will do in the future, like curious and interested humans tend to want to do.

wqaatwt 4mo ago

> Open-source is also altruistic Contributing to it might not necessarily be. Most open source development is funded by large companies after all and from their perspective it can function as a cost saving measure. Allowing them to focus on their core products and removing the possibility of their rivals from getting a competitive advantage due to having a superior low level stack under their product. Which is why open source is so successful in areas where software is a cost-center but mostly failed for consumer products (since spending resources on them would actually be altruistic unlike e.g. Linux kernel development)

spongebobstoes 4mo ago
altruism is not discernable from the outside any altruistic act can be perceived as self serving

threethirtytwo 4mo ago

No parent is right. The core root driver of the world is capitalism, open source exists downstream of that. Software engineers need money to survive. If they exclusively work on open source stuff where are they getting money from to survive? Follow the money trail… even a donation… eventually it leads to an incentive based source or action.

mejutoco 4mo ago
> If they exclusively work on open source stuff where are they getting money from to survive? From open source. You can earn money from open source. Open source is not opposed to capitalism, idk where you got that idea.
- threethirtytwo 4mo ago
  Young blood, allow me to explain. I said open source is derivative to capitalism. Meaning open source cannot exist without capitalism. I never said they oppose each other. Second I said you need to follow the money trail. Money given to people who work on open source comes from non-open source places.
  - mejutoco 4mo ago
    > I never said they oppose each other. Are you not implying below, with your words, that working exclusively on open source cannot bring money? > If they exclusively work on open source stuff where are they getting money from to survive? You seem to imply that open source is incompatible with making money. You seem to believe that if someone is making money they are not doing "exclusively open source" but something else in addition to open source. > you need to follow the money trail. Money given to people who work on open source comes from non-open source places. Money spent on coffee comes from non-coffee places, mostly. Does that mean one cannot make money exclusively selling coffee? I get your point, it is very uncommon to live only of open source. That I can agree with. It is the exaggeration and dogmatism that is untrue.
    - 4mo ago