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in a lot of cases, the leaders of the communities are not following the rules. (see the ppl talking about ndas and such) in any case, this isn't like "oh we do

in a lot of cases, the leaders of the communities are not following the rules. (see the ppl talking about ndas and such) in any case, this isn't like "oh we don't want to build an apartment building because it might drop the value of a single family home halfway across town." it isn't even like "we want to build this train line which will have some negative externalities but the positive effects (and externalities) are worth taking a hit in some areas" the problems with the datacenters are that like (1) the service its providing (LLMs) has dubious societal value, (2) the direct negative effects such as noise pollution and such have been pretty well documented, (3) the indirect negative effects like massive strain on infra and (4) the people pushing them most heavily are effectively attempting to invade the communities, peddle conspiracy theories about "china" being behind the opposition, and demand to be specially treated because they were bankrolled by big tech, etc. some people when this topic come up act like anyone opposed is some nimby who hates societal progress or smth and who is super concerned about that their home estimate might go down. but like communities do recognize the need for zoning and restricting certain things being built. you need the thing being built to both (a) actually be a good that helps the community (or have a very very good reason why some damage to the community is justifiable (datacenter projects generally don't) and (b) need to contain negative externalities (which is why we don't put the chemical plant next to the elementary school even if it's the most economic option). people recognize these things on some level.

JuniperMesos 3mo ago
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- freejazz 3mo ago
  NIMBY YIMBY have no value when you apply them this indistinctly. You're for any AI data center?
  - JuniperMesos 3mo ago
    Yes, I literally support repealing laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's legal to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all. Also as a housing YIMBYist I'm supportive of massive reforms to zoning laws that would result in legalizing many more types of housing construction, including mixed-use zoning laws like what exist in Japan that would make it legal in principle to build housing close to a data center.
    - freejazz 3mo ago
      > Yes, I literally support repealing laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's legal to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all. That's not the same thing as the question I asked. That's the answer to "do you support laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's 'legal' to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all." On the face, not all zoning is the same so it's pretty obvious to me that not all "industrial facilities" are appropriate to build where other "industrial facilities" already exist. For example, there's industrial baking facilities in my neighborhood, but there are not industrial chemical refining facilities in my neighborhood. The latter aren't allowed. By your logic, am I to assume this is okay because it's already the current state of affairs? That just uses an arbitrary date to filter - nonsensical imo. By your logic am I to assume that my neighborhoods prohibition against industrial chemical refining is just inappropriate because we allow industrial baking? We're trying to make sense of the world, not virtue signal via "policy" Deeper, it's a statement that is so absurdly generalized as to be capable of giving it any useful meaning. You support the construction of AI data centers as a concept? Great. How am I supposed to use this information to navigate any actual disputes about where AI data centers should and shouldn't go.
- novemp 3mo ago
  Thank you for volunteering to have a data center built in your neighborhood!
  - JuniperMesos 3mo ago
    There are data centers in my neighborhood and I'd be fine with building more. I live in a dense urban area with lots of buildings of all types relatively close to me.

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freejazz 3mo ago
NIMBY YIMBY have no value when you apply them this indistinctly. You're for any AI data center?
- JuniperMesos 3mo ago
  Yes, I literally support repealing laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's legal to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all. Also as a housing YIMBYist I'm supportive of massive reforms to zoning laws that would result in legalizing many more types of housing construction, including mixed-use zoning laws like what exist in Japan that would make it legal in principle to build housing close to a data center.
  - freejazz 3mo ago
    > Yes, I literally support repealing laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's legal to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all. That's not the same thing as the question I asked. That's the answer to "do you support laws that would prevent someone from building an AI data center anywhere it's 'legal' to build any kind of commercial or industrial facility at all." On the face, not all zoning is the same so it's pretty obvious to me that not all "industrial facilities" are appropriate to build where other "industrial facilities" already exist. For example, there's industrial baking facilities in my neighborhood, but there are not industrial chemical refining facilities in my neighborhood. The latter aren't allowed. By your logic, am I to assume this is okay because it's already the current state of affairs? That just uses an arbitrary date to filter - nonsensical imo. By your logic am I to assume that my neighborhoods prohibition against industrial chemical refining is just inappropriate because we allow industrial baking? We're trying to make sense of the world, not virtue signal via "policy" Deeper, it's a statement that is so absurdly generalized as to be capable of giving it any useful meaning. You support the construction of AI data centers as a concept? Great. How am I supposed to use this information to navigate any actual disputes about where AI data centers should and shouldn't go.
novemp 3mo ago
Thank you for volunteering to have a data center built in your neighborhood!
- JuniperMesos 3mo ago
  There are data centers in my neighborhood and I'd be fine with building more. I live in a dense urban area with lots of buildings of all types relatively close to me.