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Let me get this straight. The USA has no gun control laws but legislators want to prevent people from making guns with 3D printers?

jatora 4mo ago
The USA has plenty of gun control laws
WillPostForFood 4mo ago
Some states, like California, and New York (which recently passed the first 3d printer ban), have restrictive gun control. These laws are in conflict with Supreme Court rulings supporting the 2nd Amendment, but the litigation and appeal process is very slow. It is 9 years into the Duncan case in California challenging magazine capacity limits, 7 years into the Miller case challenging California's Assault rifle ban.
xbar 4mo ago
Unlike the downvoters, I'm genuinely curious: do you believe a narrative that the US has no gun control laws? Sometimes I wonder if that is what people outside the US think.
- Ancapistani 4mo ago
  It’s what approximately half of US voters think.
  - derwiki 4mo ago
    I think that half thinks gun laws are for the bad guys, and they’re the good guy with the gun
- IshKebab 4mo ago
  Nah you're not talking about the same thing. When you say it has gun control laws you're thinking "you have to wait 10 days to buy a pistol". When he says it has no gun control laws he's thinking "after 10 days you can buy a pistol". Poor choice of words on his part perhaps, but I think it was pretty obvious what he meant if you're not nitpicking.
  - RossBencina 4mo ago
    Right. Combination of poor choice of words, ignorance and laziness not educating myself before posting. But yes, I am Australian, came of age around the time of Port Arthur, I cross Hoddle St a number of times every week. I remember the amnesty. The contrast in gun culture does seem stark.
- RossBencina 4mo ago
  I'll try to answer as accurately as I can. The narrative that I read into the media that I consume is that (1) the US has ineffective gun control laws, and (2) that there is widespread availability of a variety of guns and ammunition to anyone who wants it. I believe that gun ownership is a constitutional right in the US. I was aware that only some states are "open carry." I am not surprised to be corrected that some states have strict legislation, but I was not aware of that, and it does not seem consistent with my understanding of gun freedom in the USA. I triangulate (1) from the ongoing mass shootings in the US and the few mass shootings that I recall from my youth: for a long time it seemed to me that the 1996 National Firearms Agreement [1] had been effective here in Australia. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Agreement
  - Auracle 4mo ago
    > that there is widespread availability of a variety of guns and ammunition to anyone who wants it Felons (largely) aren't allowed to own guns. There are other restrictions as well. Apart from that, yes, in most states most people are allowed to have firearms.
  - jatora 4mo ago
    Lol what an AI response
    - RossBencina 4mo ago
      Except it wasn't.

jatora 4mo ago

The USA has plenty of gun control laws

WillPostForFood 4mo ago

Some states, like California, and New York (which recently passed the first 3d printer ban), have restrictive gun control. These laws are in conflict with Supreme Court rulings supporting the 2nd Amendment, but the litigation and appeal process is very slow. It is 9 years into the Duncan case in California challenging magazine capacity limits, 7 years into the Miller case challenging California's Assault rifle ban.

xbar 4mo ago

Unlike the downvoters, I'm genuinely curious: do you believe a narrative that the US has no gun control laws? Sometimes I wonder if that is what people outside the US think.

Ancapistani 4mo ago
It’s what approximately half of US voters think.
- derwiki 4mo ago
  I think that half thinks gun laws are for the bad guys, and they’re the good guy with the gun
IshKebab 4mo ago
Nah you're not talking about the same thing. When you say it has gun control laws you're thinking "you have to wait 10 days to buy a pistol". When he says it has no gun control laws he's thinking "after 10 days you can buy a pistol". Poor choice of words on his part perhaps, but I think it was pretty obvious what he meant if you're not nitpicking.
- RossBencina 4mo ago
  Right. Combination of poor choice of words, ignorance and laziness not educating myself before posting. But yes, I am Australian, came of age around the time of Port Arthur, I cross Hoddle St a number of times every week. I remember the amnesty. The contrast in gun culture does seem stark.
RossBencina 4mo ago
I'll try to answer as accurately as I can. The narrative that I read into the media that I consume is that (1) the US has ineffective gun control laws, and (2) that there is widespread availability of a variety of guns and ammunition to anyone who wants it. I believe that gun ownership is a constitutional right in the US. I was aware that only some states are "open carry." I am not surprised to be corrected that some states have strict legislation, but I was not aware of that, and it does not seem consistent with my understanding of gun freedom in the USA. I triangulate (1) from the ongoing mass shootings in the US and the few mass shootings that I recall from my youth: for a long time it seemed to me that the 1996 National Firearms Agreement [1] had been effective here in Australia. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Agreement
- Auracle 4mo ago
  > that there is widespread availability of a variety of guns and ammunition to anyone who wants it Felons (largely) aren't allowed to own guns. There are other restrictions as well. Apart from that, yes, in most states most people are allowed to have firearms.
- jatora 4mo ago
  Lol what an AI response
  - RossBencina 4mo ago
    Except it wasn't.