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The government will just claim that unsanctioned models have the potential to deliberately introduce security vulnerabilities when working on IT projects (e.g.
by utilize1808 3mo ago
The government will just claim that unsanctioned models have the potential to deliberately introduce security vulnerabilities when working on IT projects (e.g. be trained to strongly yet covertly favoring introducing compromised dependencies when you are not looking).
Then laws will be made to forbid organizations who use models other than those from the sanctioned labs to participate in critical projects on national security concerns.
All of a sudden, no business would risk using open source models anymore.
- pixelpoet 3mo agoThen all they do is drive the usage of open models underground (copyright infringement is illegal too, and still common), stifle US companies operating legally, and accelerate the rest of the world decoupling from the US. I hope they do it! It will have a positive long-term effect just like the Iran war footgun accelerates renewable energy transition.
- utilize1808 3mo agoHave you seen legitimate corporates use cracked software? If you do, then your competitors will report you; your employees will blackmail you. The risk is too great.
- microgpt 3mo agoI've seen "legitimate companies" commit piracy on a scale that well exceeds all cracked software piracy combined.
- 0x3f 3mo agoThis assumes the same reward ratio also continues, but that's not the case. A cutting edge LLM is something much more valuable than a cracked copy of Word. Just like the LLM providers themselves decided violating copyright was an acceptable risk, it entirely depends on how people see the tradeoffs, rather than being a categorical decision.
- utilize1808 3mo agoWhile that might be true, it is unlikely that open source models' capability will ever surpass frontier models --- if you have the best model (by some margin), then people will want to access it, even if it means going through compliance.
- gizzlon 3mo ago> it is unlikely that open source models' capability will ever surpass frontier models Sure about that? Would you invest in products almost no-one can buy? otoh, maybe China stop releasing their best models
- utilize1808 3mo agoYes, that's what I meant. It's not that the Chinese will never be able to come up with models that superior --- it's simply that they will no longer have the incentive to open-source them once their models take the lead. Training models are expensive. No one can do it for free for very long.
- gizzlon 3mo agoMaybe, or maybe they would take this opportunity to gain a lot of power and influence around the world. Just because you're not paying per token or per month does not mean they are doing it for free.
- Daishiman 3mo agoThen they'll outsource dev work to agencies that have no frills with it and move along.
- utilize1808 3mo agoAs a company it is your responsibility to ensure your contractors are compliant. So won't work.
- civet_java 3mo agoI see your comments scattered across this thread with most converging on this thesis: "The US govt will regulate away the ability of US corporations and individuals to use unsanctioned AI models." Which is a fair thesis. I've seen you counter people's predictions of how they think things will pan as a consequence. But what I'd really like to hear is what you think happens (in the US and internationally) as a consequence of such regulations?
- utilize1808 3mo agoUSA will experience unprecedented prosperity from influx of global talents and capital who seek to amplify their productivity and profits by 10x.
- civet_java 3mo agoWell, I for one hope you are horribly wrong. And something about this train of thought aligning with just the general quality of your comments gives me hope.
- utilize1808 3mo agoWell. We will see about that. Wishful thinking can be cute.
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- jauco 3mo agoHe said copyright infringement. The company tfa is about literally trained its models using massive copyright infringement.
- tokai 3mo agoMicrosoft shipped windows for years with files signed by a warez group because Microsoft developers had used a piece of pirated software. Nothing happened.
- jesse_dot_id 3mo agoStreisand effect
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- sfifs 3mo agoAnd companies from outside the US will outcompete those from the US forcing more protectionism, higher prices in US etc. I think there have been several cycles of several industries that have gone through this cycle (cars, shipping?), and mostly forced to roll back.