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Composers were also handwriting masters. Bach also had incredible handwriting, there's a youtube channel about it.
by coliveira 4mo ago
Composers were also handwriting masters. Bach also had incredible handwriting, there's a youtube channel about it.
- breezybottom 4mo agoYou've named one composer who is. I don't see where the inductive step applies.
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- rob74 4mo agoThe composers who didn't have neat handwriting are forgotten today because nobody could read their (musical) notes...
- Arainach 4mo agoThis is simply not true. Look at Beethoven's manuscripts for instance. https://guides.loc.gov/beethoven/manuscripts https://guides.loc.gov/beethoven/manuscripts
- globular-toast 4mo agoWow. Can we even be sure we're listening to the right thing? Is it actually possible to read this unambiguously or is there an element of context when reading music, similar to how if you're reading prose the next word is probably grammatically correct and makes sense?
- Fritatta 4mo agoExactly. The context makes it all pretty clear. Music has its own grammar, and particularly music of the common practice era from about 1650-1930.
- ternaryoperator 4mo agoThe publisher was generally familiar with Beethoven’s writing and conventions. He’d prepare galleys that Beethoven would proof (and frequently edit). A substantial part of Beethoven’s known correspondence concerns corrections to galleys (and managing payments).
- coliveira 4mo agoThat's one of the reasons why he spent several years to write a single symphony.
- isjcjwndkwmds 4mo agoWhat? What does one thing have to do with the other? Heck, what is up with everyone here just making up bullshit arguments about classical composers? The heck is this nonsense!?
- vixen99 4mo agoYou can check all this out for yourself at IMSL. Tons of holograph copies there for lots of composers. https://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page https://imslp.org/wiki/Main_Page
- isjcjwndkwmds 4mo agoSuch as famously the forgotten composer Ludwig von Beethoven. Please, let’s leave the made up arguments to the LLMs.
- SoftTalker 4mo agoSchools used to spend a lot of time on penmanship. I visited a high school where they had a wall of notes left by each senior class. In the notes from the 1950s the writing was quite refined and looked very practiced, and notes left by kids in the 2020s looked like 2nd grade printing by comparison. I don't think cursive handwriting is really even taught/required anymore. I can imagine that in the time of Bach or Mozart that writing was a big point of emphasis in schools.
- copperx 4mo agoThey spent more time in penmanship class than an individual grad student spent learning LaTeX in the pre-LLM time, for reference/scale.
- datakan 4mo agoCursive is only useful for fountain pens. It was a sign of its times and is totally pointless and even counterproductive today. I get really sick of people exclaiming how important cursive is today when everyone types and everything is printed. "Back in my day we taught the kids cursive!!" How many of them used fountain pens? I'm guessing zero. You just wasted their time instead of teaching them something valuable.
- isjcjwndkwmds 4mo ago> I'm guessing zero. There’s your problem: guessing. Knowing how to write cursive is a useful skill even if underutilised, heck, it’s a useful skill even if just for the artistry of it. It might be niche, it might be unnecessary, but saying it is a “waste of time” is just ridiculous.
- datakan 4mo ago> Knowing how to write cursive is a useful skill No, it's not. At all
- iejcjwnxkwnxjw 4mo ago
- JasonFruit 4mo agoI see you've never worked your way through a manuscript by Donizetti.
- spacechild1 4mo agoBeethoven certainly wasn't.