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I'm not Russian. I'm Swedish, born and raised in Dalarna. I'm not pro the Russian regime, there's really no need for the aggressive tone and insults. All I sai
by KomoD 4mo ago
I'm not Russian. I'm Swedish, born and raised in Dalarna.
I'm not pro the Russian regime, there's really no need for the aggressive tone and insults. All I said is that it really isn't black and white when it comes to renouncing it, and even the Reddit post you linked shows that it isn't an easy process, the comments too describe difficulty in doing it and asking for help, some examples:
- https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/nazoslx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/...
- https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1a2art/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/...
- https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/o74o8sm/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/...
- https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1dk6lz/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/...
- https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1abmkr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/...
- https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/oakix03/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/...
Some governments have even stopped enforcing renunciation requirements because people have found it difficult to renounce. One such example is the Netherlands[0]: "There are currently indications within the implementation that naturalized Russians are experiencing problems regarding this renunciation [...] for the time being, it is not enforced for Russians naturalized as Dutch citizens whether Russian nationality is actually being (or has been) renounced."
As I understand, Russia doesn't do citizenship-based taxation like the US does, so I don't have as big of a problem with someone retaining their Russian citizenship when they're living abroad if they find the process difficult/impossible/unrealistic. If they did citizenship-based taxation, then I would have more of a problem with it, as, at that point, it is funding the regime.
I understand why many governments have measures against Russian and Belarusian citizens, but I also sympathize with the people affected.
> Are you at least admitting Russia is engaged in a genocide and that Russia must be defeated and treated just like the third riche?
I'm undecided if I'd call it genocide by definition, but there are definitely things that lean towards it, such as abducting children and trying to "russify" them. I definitely believe they should have never started the war - I don't support it at all - and that they have committed tons of war crimes and awful things such as torture, rape, attacking civilians (also in terms of infrastructure), political assassinations, and lots more. It should end with Ukraine having complete control of its own country and being left to live in peace.
But it doesn't mean I automatically believe all Russians are bad people who support the regime, especially if they live abroad and are trying to build a life.
I welcome both Ukrainians and regime-opposing Russians to come and start a life here.
[0]: https://puc.overheid.nl/ind/doc/PUC_1312395_1/1/ https://puc.overheid.nl/ind/doc/PUC_1312395_1/1/
- victorbjorklund 4mo ago[flagged]
- KomoD 4mo ago> Why are you claiming that it is extremely hard to renounce your Russian citizenship if you now claim you are not a Russian citizen Because I can look things up as well as read other people's accounts? I even backed it up, with the very link you provided as well as with a government source. I can use the same logic against you: why are you claiming that it is easy to renounce your Russian citizenship if you aren't a Russian citizen? I can very easily tell that you, Victor Björklund (not a dox because that's quite literally your username), are not and have not ever been a Russian citizen. > And of course you as a Russian supporter denies that Russia is committing a genocide. I didn't deny anything. In fact, I said I lean towards it being genocide, and what I said is that I'm unsure if I'd call it genocide by definition (and I'm not the only one who believes so, because you also have to factor in things such as intent, and that hasn't been determined in international courts and only around 6 countries so far have officially declared the war as genocidal). Not once did I voice support for Russia in this entire conversation. > Most pro-Russian people deny the war crimes committed by Russia. Then you should read my message instead of acting so emotionally and writing such sludge and attacking me when I have never once shown you the same attitude. I explicitly condemned it. This is exactly what I said, word-for-word: > I definitely believe they should have never started the war - I don't support it at all - and that they have committed tons of war crimes and awful things such as torture, rape, attacking civilians (also in terms of infrastructure), political assassinations, and lots more. It should end with Ukraine having complete control of its own country and being left to live in peace.
- victorbjorklund 4mo ago[flagged]
- KomoD 4mo agoThat's not at all what I said? You are literally claiming I said the exact opposite of what is written in plain text in my previous comment. Väx upp, människa. Du är nästan 40 år gammal och beter dig så här? Jag förstår att du känner starkt inför ämnet och jag uppskattar verkligen att du stöttar Ukraina och de andra länderna som har drabbats av Rysslands aggressioner (eller så är det kanske bara en ursäkt du använder för att få vara arg? vad vet jag...), men det här är verkligen inte ett sätt att bete sig på. Jag försöker ha en vettig diskussion och förklara mina åsikter men du skiter fullständigt i allt jag skriver, hakar upp dig på små delar, vrider dem till något absurt som jag aldrig har sagt och attackerar mig utifrån det. Inte en enda gång i hela den här tråden har jag uttryckt stöd för Ryssland. Tvärtom. Om du hade tagit dig en minut att faktiskt läsa vad jag skrev istället för att låta ilskan förblinda dig hade du förstått det. Om det är så här du beter dig i verkligheten tycker jag faktiskt synd om dig, och jag hoppas att du får det stöd du behöver för det här är varken ett lyckligt eller hälsosamt sätt att leva på. Eftersom du väljer personangrepp istället för att diskutera saker är det tydligt att det inte är någon idé att vi fortsätter prata. Ha en fortsatt fin söndag.