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No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did
by cryo32 4mo ago
No we won’t. We’ll make grand statements about it, leave it for commercial entities to corrupt it, then complain loudly about the state of it when we really did nothing about it.
I expect we’ve got a future of “undo forks” as I’ve called them which is rolling back to pre-insanity times and rethinking again. That’s only something people unencumbered by commercial requirements can do.
- fithisux 4mo agoSpot on!!!
- eastbound 4mo agoCommercial entities are 95% of useful open-source (Linux, Postgres and similar — excluding leftstr-type of utilities).
- tetris11 4mo agoCommercial entities latch onto useful open-source because it is a successful product they simply cannot compete with.
- jackdoe 4mo agowhy would they compete with it when its open?
- dspillett 4mo agoThey wouldn't. But the GPP seemed to be implying that we should be grateful to commercial entities for the existence of those useful open projects, when in fact if the commercial entities had their preferred way the projects would not be (as) open.
- rectang 4mo agoTo secure network effects for themselves. This is one of the reasons the ASF was founded. https://httpd.apache.org/ABOUT_APACHE.html https://httpd.apache.org/ABOUT_APACHE.html > We realize that it is often seen as an economic advantage for one company to "own" a market - in the software industry, that means to control tightly a particular conduit such that all others must pay for its use. This is typically done by "owning" the protocols through which companies conduct business, at the expense of all those other companies. To the extent that the protocols of the World Wide Web remain "unowned" by a single company, the Web will remain a level playing field for companies large and small. Thus, "ownership" of the protocols must be prevented.
- LtWorf 4mo agoDebian, KDE…
- pydry 4mo agoDefeatism is easy
- p-e-w 4mo agoDo you have any concrete plan to make things better that doesn’t involve magical thinking or pseudo-appeals like “everyone just needs to…”?
- chrinic7294 4mo ago> Defeatism is easy I prefer easy. If you prefer difficult, more power to you.
- AnthonyMouse 4mo agoIt's the same easy as falling out of a plane without a parachute. Gravity will do all the work but you'll not like what happens at the bottom.
- doublerabbit 4mo agoIsn't it easier just not to board the plane, who really enjoys being at an airport?
- AnthonyMouse 4mo agoYou were never at an airport. You fell asleep in your bed and woke up on the plane. Fighting the people taking you somewhere you don't want to go is definitely more work than falling out of the plane. It just has a specific advantage.
- latexr 4mo ago> who really enjoys being at an airport? Not every airport is a huge commercial building with hundreds of people (also, you wouldn’t visit one of those to parachute jump). Some are akin to cozy shacks without a lot of traffic where you’re in and out in no time.
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- Forgeties79 4mo agoIdk I swapped to a Linux-only PC last April and have been steadily shifting over to open source software for basically everything in my life. I haven’t done everything, I doubt I ever will hit 100%, but well over half the stuff I use on a daily basis I have real control over now and can audit. Keep in mind I am not a coder/engineer, I’m just kind of a tourist in that world, so if I can do it it’s clearly very achievable for many people. No reason to throw up your hands in defeat. We don’t need everyone to shift over everything. We just need to make sure there’s always space and demand for open source software to keep it alive.
- necrotic_comp 4mo agoOne of the reasons why a source-based system like Gentoo is particularly nice is that you can compile your binaries with debug flags, so if you hit bad behavior you can inspect, write a patch, compile into your running system, and then push the same patch upstream. I barely have to do it, but imho, this is how software should work and what running a computer should feel like.
- ligne 4mo agoIt's worth noting that even more staid distributions like Debian provide you with the means to do this. It's arguably bit more complicated, but saves you a lot of time and hassle on the happy path.
- skydhash 4mo agoI use OpenBSD and it’s actually the same thing with the additional niceties of binary packages. A bug or an issue with any program (including the kernel and drivers)? Patch and rebuild.
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- latexr 4mo ago> I have real control over now and can audit. > Keep in mind I am not a coder/engineer How do you control and audit something you don’t understand? What specific steps are you taking?
- warumdarum 4mo agoIts worse. Open source will be hijacked by hype warfare companies to extract free labour and build the things they want instead of the things we want.
- trumpdong 4mo agoBut that's already what open source is...
- forgetfreeman 4mo agoOh that ship sailed over a decade ago. Industry appeasement is a big part of what killed Drupal.
- bonzini 4mo agoWhat killed Drupal, and what replaced it? WordPress?
- bborud 4mo agoBut surely the death of any large chunk of PHP leaving the stage is cause for applause and boisterous shouts of joy?
- forgetfreeman 4mo agoHaving coded back end projects in PHP, Perl, Python, and Node idk wtf folks who make comments like this are on about. Node took all of the worst aspects of JavaScript and spread them to back end development. Someone should have ended up on trial in the Hague for that particular crime against humanity and PHP is what you're grumbling about? Seriously?
- bborud 4mo agoI’ll grant you that there are good arguments in favor of your position. PHP, and then later JavaScript have both filled the world with more fragility and chaos than was necessary.
- noufalibrahim 4mo agoIn a certain way, moving from "Free Software" to "Open Source" started this transition and it's not slowing down.
- p-e-w 4mo agoImagine if the AGPL had become the default license for open source projects, as it was intended to when the service provider loophole in the GPL became apparent. The software industry would be unrecognizable. Instead, millions of developers now gift corporations their work by releasing everything under MIT or Apache, and those corporations take from that treasure trove what they want and give back what they want, which is very often nothing.
- hacker_homie 4mo agolying about the license to linus probably wasn't a smart move for AGPLv3 adoption. In my experience the virality clause is the main reason those projects don't get used therefor sponsored.
- Dylan16807 4mo agoLying about what? I can't find anything about this.
- bayindirh 4mo agoI believe Open Source software sold developers the dream of "to be hired for what they have developed" and cash-in the effort they have spent as a future, stable employment. Many die on the hill of "developing something required for free with permissive licenses for recognition which will help with their future endeavors", which is the same with other creative lines of work. As a result they are milked of their knowledge and forced to bear the burden of leading the project and handling the community while companies just use what's developed while quietly but strongly nudging the project's direction for their benefit. If the developer gets rogue, the thing is forked and sometimes closed down with no downside to the company, but the community and the developer(s) are hung to dry, conveniently signaling other developers about what they might face if they disobey their overlords with iron fists in velvet gloves as a secondary effect.
- abc123abc123 4mo agoNote that the LF of today is basically just like any other global corporation with its own political agenda. You can just follow the money, and see that it is controlled by corporations. They neutered Torvalds, are very woke, and generally a nightmare to work with. I always advice aspiring open source enthusiasts to stay far, far away from the Linux Foundation. It has become a barrier to software freedom these days, rather than an enabler.