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It was great until they turned racists and stopped me from using the service because of my nationality (Russia), even though neither me or the business had anyt

It was great until they turned racists and stopped me from using the service because of my nationality (Russia), even though neither me or the business had anything to do with Russia.

Etheryte 3mo ago
russian is not a race.
fractallyte 3mo ago
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- m00dy 3mo ago
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8note 3mo ago
are you a russian speaking estonian? or russian citizen?
- leitasat 3mo ago
  Russian citizen living abroad
  - jwr 3mo ago
    For better or worse, our world has the concept of "citizenship". It is not ideal, but it is what we have settled on. You reap the benefits of your passport (citizenship), but you also bear responsibilities. It is possible to switch nationalities, and I would heartily encourage anyone whose conscience has trouble accepting what their country does to do so.
    - rendx 3mo ago
      I sympathize with all Russian citizens living abroad. While citizenship is something you can get out of, it is a long process and circumstances may not easily allow it. I don't think it's fair to discriminate against Russian citizens without hearing their story, even the ones still living in Russia, for actions taken by their rogue government. Do US Americans really want to be held individually accountable for everything Trump does or will do? I understand how comments like yours and other sibling comments will generate feelings of being treated unfairly: We do not choose our birth country. We do not know the individual's actions, we do not know their political stance, and it is not racist but still discriminatory to use their nationality against them. They're already punished enough by being associated with their government. That's at least how I see it. Then again, it is probably due to EU wide legislation, so not something Estonia can do much about even if they wanted to. I hope they find emotional support to detach their individuality from how Russians (and Ukrainians!) are treated in general in the current dynamics. It's not their fault as individual, and I'm sorry that they became victims.
      - jwr 3mo ago
        There is a second point of view: imagine a Ukrainian living in a Western European country. They moved there because Russian missiles and bombs were falling on their heads and killing their family. They regularly send money to their country to defend against the agressor. Their neighbor holds a Russian passport. He works at an IT company and earns a nice salary. It's a good life. He complains about being discriminated against. He "doesn't support the aggression". This "not supporting" does not take any material form, he doesn't send money anywhere nor perform any other actions. In the past, he has done absolutely jack squat about the rise of Putin to power (back when doing something was still possible), because he "is apolitical". When the war ends and things blow over, the neighbor will use his Russian passport to go back to Russia, live a good life there using money earned while abroad, and participate in rebuilding the economy, until the next Putin appears on the horizon. He will do absolutely jack squat about the next Putin, because he "is apolitical". As you can see, it's all upside for the Russian neighbor. I don't know about others, but something irks me about this common scenario. Sure, there are many subtleties and many ways in which life is complicated. But I see this scenario play out regularly and I can't help thinking that there should be some accountability for the passport you hold.
  - broken-kebab 3mo ago
    Then you really can't say you has nothing to do with Russia. Citizenship is a very big thing in banking, and legal services. And it's certainly not about race. You could be ethnically Japanese for that matter, it's Russian passport which is the dealbreaker here.
    - sscaryterry 3mo ago
      Exactly. You could renounce it and potentially become stateless, which is a whole different problem. I get it, guilty by association, it isn't fair. The banks need to keep their books clean, anything that could be flagged they will avoid like the plague.
mightypirate 3mo ago
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mongol 3mo ago
If you are Russian, you have something to do with Russia
malcolmgreaves 3mo ago
Michael Scott: I am a victim of a hate crime. Stanley knows what I'm talking about. Stanley: That's not what a hate crime is. Michael Scott: Well, I hated it, a lot, okay.
victorbjorklund 3mo ago
Oh I wonder why they don’t wanna do business with Russians. Could it be because Russians are threatening to invade, bomb and occupy Estonia? It’s your choice to decide to keep your Russian citizenship. Then you have to pay the price of being a Russian citizen.
- KomoD 3mo ago
  > It’s your choice to decide to keep your Russian citizenship. Then you have to pay the price of being a Russian citizen. It's not as black and white as "just renounce or pay the price". Renouncing your Russian citizenship is not an easy process, and they might even deny your request... It's not like cancelling a Netflix subscription. And merely being Russian doesn't make someone a bad person or a supporter of Putin's regime.
  - victorbjorklund 3mo ago
    Seems pretty straightforward to renounce your citizenship. https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/s/jnQRpzMXCS https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/s/jnQRpzMXCS Do you want to keep it or renounce it? Sounds mostly that you either wanna remain Russian or you are the most lazy person on earth. Have you ever paid taxes in Russia or any way contributed to Russian society? If so you are directly financing the genocide committed by Russia. Are you at least admitting Russia is engaged in a genocide and that Russia must be defeated and treated just like the third riche?
    - KomoD 3mo ago
      I'm not Russian. I'm Swedish, born and raised in Dalarna. I'm not pro the Russian regime, there's really no need for the aggressive tone and insults. All I said is that it really isn't black and white when it comes to renouncing it, and even the Reddit post you linked shows that it isn't an easy process, the comments too describe difficulty in doing it and asking for help, some examples: - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/nazoslx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1a2art/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/o74o8sm/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1dk6lz/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1abmkr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/oakix03/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... Some governments have even stopped enforcing renunciation requirements because people have found it difficult to renounce. One such example is the Netherlands[0]: "There are currently indications within the implementation that naturalized Russians are experiencing problems regarding this renunciation [...] for the time being, it is not enforced for Russians naturalized as Dutch citizens whether Russian nationality is actually being (or has been) renounced." As I understand, Russia doesn't do citizenship-based taxation like the US does, so I don't have as big of a problem with someone retaining their Russian citizenship when they're living abroad if they find the process difficult/impossible/unrealistic. If they did citizenship-based taxation, then I would have more of a problem with it, as, at that point, it is funding the regime. I understand why many governments have measures against Russian and Belarusian citizens, but I also sympathize with the people affected. > Are you at least admitting Russia is engaged in a genocide and that Russia must be defeated and treated just like the third riche? I'm undecided if I'd call it genocide by definition, but there are definitely things that lean towards it, such as abducting children and trying to "russify" them. I definitely believe they should have never started the war - I don't support it at all - and that they have committed tons of war crimes and awful things such as torture, rape, attacking civilians (also in terms of infrastructure), political assassinations, and lots more. It should end with Ukraine having complete control of its own country and being left to live in peace. But it doesn't mean I automatically believe all Russians are bad people who support the regime, especially if they live abroad and are trying to build a life. I welcome both Ukrainians and regime-opposing Russians to come and start a life here. [0]: https://puc.overheid.nl/ind/doc/PUC_1312395_1/1/ https://puc.overheid.nl/ind/doc/PUC_1312395_1/1/

It was great until they turned racists and stopped me from using the service because of my nationality (Russia), even though neither me or the business had anything to do with Russia.

Etheryte 3mo ago

russian is not a race.

fractallyte 3mo ago

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m00dy 3mo ago
[flagged]

8note 3mo ago

are you a russian speaking estonian? or russian citizen?

leitasat 3mo ago
Russian citizen living abroad
- jwr 3mo ago
  For better or worse, our world has the concept of "citizenship". It is not ideal, but it is what we have settled on. You reap the benefits of your passport (citizenship), but you also bear responsibilities. It is possible to switch nationalities, and I would heartily encourage anyone whose conscience has trouble accepting what their country does to do so.
  - rendx 3mo ago
    I sympathize with all Russian citizens living abroad. While citizenship is something you can get out of, it is a long process and circumstances may not easily allow it. I don't think it's fair to discriminate against Russian citizens without hearing their story, even the ones still living in Russia, for actions taken by their rogue government. Do US Americans really want to be held individually accountable for everything Trump does or will do? I understand how comments like yours and other sibling comments will generate feelings of being treated unfairly: We do not choose our birth country. We do not know the individual's actions, we do not know their political stance, and it is not racist but still discriminatory to use their nationality against them. They're already punished enough by being associated with their government. That's at least how I see it. Then again, it is probably due to EU wide legislation, so not something Estonia can do much about even if they wanted to. I hope they find emotional support to detach their individuality from how Russians (and Ukrainians!) are treated in general in the current dynamics. It's not their fault as individual, and I'm sorry that they became victims.
    - jwr 3mo ago
      There is a second point of view: imagine a Ukrainian living in a Western European country. They moved there because Russian missiles and bombs were falling on their heads and killing their family. They regularly send money to their country to defend against the agressor. Their neighbor holds a Russian passport. He works at an IT company and earns a nice salary. It's a good life. He complains about being discriminated against. He "doesn't support the aggression". This "not supporting" does not take any material form, he doesn't send money anywhere nor perform any other actions. In the past, he has done absolutely jack squat about the rise of Putin to power (back when doing something was still possible), because he "is apolitical". When the war ends and things blow over, the neighbor will use his Russian passport to go back to Russia, live a good life there using money earned while abroad, and participate in rebuilding the economy, until the next Putin appears on the horizon. He will do absolutely jack squat about the next Putin, because he "is apolitical". As you can see, it's all upside for the Russian neighbor. I don't know about others, but something irks me about this common scenario. Sure, there are many subtleties and many ways in which life is complicated. But I see this scenario play out regularly and I can't help thinking that there should be some accountability for the passport you hold.
- broken-kebab 3mo ago
  Then you really can't say you has nothing to do with Russia. Citizenship is a very big thing in banking, and legal services. And it's certainly not about race. You could be ethnically Japanese for that matter, it's Russian passport which is the dealbreaker here.
  - sscaryterry 3mo ago
    Exactly. You could renounce it and potentially become stateless, which is a whole different problem. I get it, guilty by association, it isn't fair. The banks need to keep their books clean, anything that could be flagged they will avoid like the plague.

mightypirate 3mo ago

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mongol 3mo ago

If you are Russian, you have something to do with Russia

malcolmgreaves 3mo ago

Michael Scott: I am a victim of a hate crime. Stanley knows what I'm talking about. Stanley: That's not what a hate crime is. Michael Scott: Well, I hated it, a lot, okay.

victorbjorklund 3mo ago

Oh I wonder why they don’t wanna do business with Russians. Could it be because Russians are threatening to invade, bomb and occupy Estonia? It’s your choice to decide to keep your Russian citizenship. Then you have to pay the price of being a Russian citizen.

KomoD 3mo ago
> It’s your choice to decide to keep your Russian citizenship. Then you have to pay the price of being a Russian citizen. It's not as black and white as "just renounce or pay the price". Renouncing your Russian citizenship is not an easy process, and they might even deny your request... It's not like cancelling a Netflix subscription. And merely being Russian doesn't make someone a bad person or a supporter of Putin's regime.
- victorbjorklund 3mo ago
  Seems pretty straightforward to renounce your citizenship. https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/s/jnQRpzMXCS https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/s/jnQRpzMXCS Do you want to keep it or renounce it? Sounds mostly that you either wanna remain Russian or you are the most lazy person on earth. Have you ever paid taxes in Russia or any way contributed to Russian society? If so you are directly financing the genocide committed by Russia. Are you at least admitting Russia is engaged in a genocide and that Russia must be defeated and treated just like the third riche?
  - KomoD 3mo ago
    I'm not Russian. I'm Swedish, born and raised in Dalarna. I'm not pro the Russian regime, there's really no need for the aggressive tone and insults. All I said is that it really isn't black and white when it comes to renouncing it, and even the Reddit post you linked shows that it isn't an easy process, the comments too describe difficulty in doing it and asking for help, some examples: - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/nazoslx/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1a2art/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/o74o8sm/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1dk6lz/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/n1abmkr/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... - https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/comment/oakix03/ https://www.reddit.com/r/tjournal_refugees/comments/1lrdngq/... Some governments have even stopped enforcing renunciation requirements because people have found it difficult to renounce. One such example is the Netherlands[0]: "There are currently indications within the implementation that naturalized Russians are experiencing problems regarding this renunciation [...] for the time being, it is not enforced for Russians naturalized as Dutch citizens whether Russian nationality is actually being (or has been) renounced." As I understand, Russia doesn't do citizenship-based taxation like the US does, so I don't have as big of a problem with someone retaining their Russian citizenship when they're living abroad if they find the process difficult/impossible/unrealistic. If they did citizenship-based taxation, then I would have more of a problem with it, as, at that point, it is funding the regime. I understand why many governments have measures against Russian and Belarusian citizens, but I also sympathize with the people affected. > Are you at least admitting Russia is engaged in a genocide and that Russia must be defeated and treated just like the third riche? I'm undecided if I'd call it genocide by definition, but there are definitely things that lean towards it, such as abducting children and trying to "russify" them. I definitely believe they should have never started the war - I don't support it at all - and that they have committed tons of war crimes and awful things such as torture, rape, attacking civilians (also in terms of infrastructure), political assassinations, and lots more. It should end with Ukraine having complete control of its own country and being left to live in peace. But it doesn't mean I automatically believe all Russians are bad people who support the regime, especially if they live abroad and are trying to build a life. I welcome both Ukrainians and regime-opposing Russians to come and start a life here. [0]: https://puc.overheid.nl/ind/doc/PUC_1312395_1/1/ https://puc.overheid.nl/ind/doc/PUC_1312395_1/1/