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If they really wanted to, all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok. I don't think they have any interest in doing so, nor is t

If they really wanted to, all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok. I don't think they have any interest in doing so, nor is there any value in it. On another note, I'm impressed that Gemini sits where it does as a true centrist. If I were Elon, I'd be trying to achieve that for sure. I'd rather a model tell me everything it knows about a current political situation from BOTH perspectives and list out things that are 100% verified than take one side or the other. I don't care about sides, I want facts.

ceejayoz 4mo ago
> If they really wanted to, all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok. They tried that, several times. Mechahitler: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-antisemitic-racist-content https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-... > "We have improved @Grok significantly," Elon Musk wrote on X last Friday about his platform's integrated artificial intelligence chatbot. "You should notice a difference when you ask Grok questions." > Indeed, the update did not go unnoticed. By Tuesday, Grok was calling itself "MechaHitler." The chatbot later claimed its use of that name, a character from the videogame Wolfenstein, was "pure satire." > Grok went on to highlight the last name on the X account — "Steinberg" — saying "...and that surname? Every damn time, as they say." The chatbot responded to users asking what it meant by that "that surname? Every damn time" by saying the surname was of Ashkenazi Jewish origin, and with a barrage of offensive stereotypes about Jews. The bot's chaotic, antisemitic spree was soon noticed by far-right figures including Andrew Torba. If you prefer, straight from the horse's mouth: https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident White genocide: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/20/business/grok-genocide-ai-nightcap https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/20/business/grok-genocide-ai-nig... > The bot last week devolved into a compulsive South African “white genocide” conspiracy theorist, injecting a tirade about violence against Afrikaners into unrelated conversations, like a roommate who just took up CrossFit or an uncle wondering if you’ve heard the good word about Bitcoin. > XAI blamed Grok’s unwanted rants on an unnamed “rogue employee” tinkering with Grok’s code in the extremely early morning hours. (As an aside in what is surely an unrelated matter, Musk was born and raised in South Africa and has argued that “white genocide” was committed in the nation — it wasn’t.) It's harder than you'd imagine. Hell, my CLAUDE.md says not to push changes without asking me, and it still tries.
- surement 4mo ago
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  - Forgeties79 4mo ago
    Blindly attacking the sources rather than the merit of the information doesn’t exactly reflect well on you either. Do you have any reason to believe this information is inaccurate, other than an immediate reaction to CNN and NPR for whatever reason? Is there a source you would rather us pull in?
  - ceejayoz 4mo ago
    The NPR article has archive links to the actual tweets in question. Even fucking Grokipedia agrees it happened. https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident
    - surement 4mo ago
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      - ceejayoz 4mo ago
        No, I consider myself literate.
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- giancarlostoro 4mo ago
  > It's harder than you'd imagine. Hell, my CLAUDE.md says not to push changes without asking me, and it still tries. Is it a system memory? Because I rarely if ever have issues like this, and I have Claude under strict rules to never commit or push anything unless I explicitly instruct it to do so. > They tried that, several times. Tried what exactly? Telling it to only agree with MAGA via the system prompt? or some Tay level hallucinations? I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to make Grok less strict on what it says but running into the "holy crap it turned into a 4chan poster" wall.
thrance 4mo ago
I don't want my models to be "centrists" and bothside everything for the sake of it. I want them to provide the facts and tell me which side is right on the issue.
- atty 4mo ago
  Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. People can use the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions. That’s a separate issue from “are these facts correct” and what happens when an individual or entire party starts getting most of their news from highly partisan and unreliable sources.
  - ceejayoz 4mo ago
    > Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. Sometimes, but not always. https://www.fastcompany.com/91561329/widening-health-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives https://www.fastcompany.com/91561329/widening-health-gap-bet... > By 2016, the gap had begun to appear in biomarker measures. By 2020, it was showing up in deaths from causes such as heart disease, cancer, and stroke. Since then, the gap has only widened. Between 2020 and 2022, only 0.2% of “very liberal” respondents died of internal causes, compared with 1.34% of “very conservative” respondents.
    - jjk7 4mo ago
      It's interesting how distrust for big pharma used to be left wing, but is now right wing. How did that happen?
      - ceejayoz 4mo ago
        It's a whole thing. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/fringe-left-alt-right-share-beliefs-white-power-movement/672454/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/fringe-lef...
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michaelmrose 4mo ago
LLM constantly regress towards statistically likely responses. If you trained a model on all of modern science and wanted to inject a pro young earth creationist bias you would find it challenging to keep it on topic and make it useful. Many issues are simply as black and white. The earth just isn't less than 10k years old, the miasma theory of disease isn't correct, too many brown people in America isn't a problem to be solved, the dems didn't fix the election in 2020, tax breaks for the rich don't trickle down and so forth. Conservationism in America has meant a rejection of progress for centuries and not a preservation of virtues. Slavery was a moral evil not an alternative social contract. If one side situates itself firmly on the side of evil it doesn't mean that the other side are on the side of the angels but the positions and ideals however poorly implemented or followed are factually and morally correct. A position situated between isn't wise or worldly its a sign of moral cowardice or intellectual disability. If someone asks you what 2 + 2 equals the answer isn't halfway in between 4 and 87 its just and only 4.
- ecshafer 4mo ago
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  - michaelmrose 4mo ago
    Young Earth creationism is a position held by 58% of those who self-identify as Republicans today. Slavery is a position that was supported by the overwhelming majority of southern conservatives immediately prior to its abolishment. The abuse of immigrants is something that the majority of conservatives are willing to accept even as they are killed. Conservativism is a constellation of selfish idealogically motivated positions which necessarily encompass many things embarrassing and others vile. Some embrace the vile whilst other's believe they can use the stupid to achieve ends like a return to a country dominated by white Christian men, a more hierarchal society where money and power flow to the right sort, a more friendly economic environment where they hope to achieve greater personal success, staving off social and political change etc. The most ugly aspects are poisoning everything and they cannot be ejected without losing the numbers needed to retain power and cleaving to them will itself cause the loss of power unless they also end democracy. The majority of those who call themselves Republicans will reject or have rejected both democracy and nonviolence because the alternative would be accepting defeat amongst a group self selected for selfishness.
AnthonyMouse 4mo ago
> On another note, I'm impressed that Gemini sits where it does as a true centrist. It's in the center as far as left/right, but it's the most authoritarian model on the chart. Keep in mind that the "political compass" was invented by libertarians to show people on the left and the right that both Mao and Hitler were villains and you should oppose autocrats and centralization of power regardless of your position on transfer payments. The thing is essentially designed to make any ordinary person realize they don't want anything in the top two squares, because "anti-authoritarian" is the bottom of the chart, not the center line. Obama's administration was the one perpetrating the things Snowden revealed, refused to pardon him or stop doing them, used the Espionage Act against whistleblowers, was running a corrupt justice apartment that tried to extort criminal defendants like Ross Ulbricht and then refused to allow him to present the improprieties in his defense to call into question the credibility of the investigators, etc. Macron is notorious for bypassing parliamentary votes and using police to suppress demonstrations. It has both of them on the libertarian side of the line with Gemini about that far in on the authoritarian side. That's not great.

ceejayoz 4mo ago

> If they really wanted to, all they would have to do is add a one liner to the system prompt for Grok. They tried that, several times. Mechahitler: https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-antisemitic-racist-content https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-... > "We have improved @Grok significantly," Elon Musk wrote on X last Friday about his platform's integrated artificial intelligence chatbot. "You should notice a difference when you ask Grok questions." > Indeed, the update did not go unnoticed. By Tuesday, Grok was calling itself "MechaHitler." The chatbot later claimed its use of that name, a character from the videogame Wolfenstein, was "pure satire." > Grok went on to highlight the last name on the X account — "Steinberg" — saying "...and that surname? Every damn time, as they say." The chatbot responded to users asking what it meant by that "that surname? Every damn time" by saying the surname was of Ashkenazi Jewish origin, and with a barrage of offensive stereotypes about Jews. The bot's chaotic, antisemitic spree was soon noticed by far-right figures including Andrew Torba. If you prefer, straight from the horse's mouth: https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident White genocide: https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/20/business/grok-genocide-ai-nightcap https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/20/business/grok-genocide-ai-nig... > The bot last week devolved into a compulsive South African “white genocide” conspiracy theorist, injecting a tirade about violence against Afrikaners into unrelated conversations, like a roommate who just took up CrossFit or an uncle wondering if you’ve heard the good word about Bitcoin. > XAI blamed Grok’s unwanted rants on an unnamed “rogue employee” tinkering with Grok’s code in the extremely early morning hours. (As an aside in what is surely an unrelated matter, Musk was born and raised in South Africa and has argued that “white genocide” was committed in the nation — it wasn’t.) It's harder than you'd imagine. Hell, my CLAUDE.md says not to push changes without asking me, and it still tries.

surement 4mo ago
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- Forgeties79 4mo ago
  Blindly attacking the sources rather than the merit of the information doesn’t exactly reflect well on you either. Do you have any reason to believe this information is inaccurate, other than an immediate reaction to CNN and NPR for whatever reason? Is there a source you would rather us pull in?
- ceejayoz 4mo ago
  The NPR article has archive links to the actual tweets in question. Even fucking Grokipedia agrees it happened. https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident https://grokipedia.com/page/MechaHitler_incident
  - surement 4mo ago
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    - ceejayoz 4mo ago
      No, I consider myself literate.
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giancarlostoro 4mo ago
> It's harder than you'd imagine. Hell, my CLAUDE.md says not to push changes without asking me, and it still tries. Is it a system memory? Because I rarely if ever have issues like this, and I have Claude under strict rules to never commit or push anything unless I explicitly instruct it to do so. > They tried that, several times. Tried what exactly? Telling it to only agree with MAGA via the system prompt? or some Tay level hallucinations? I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to make Grok less strict on what it says but running into the "holy crap it turned into a 4chan poster" wall.

thrance 4mo ago

I don't want my models to be "centrists" and bothside everything for the sake of it. I want them to provide the facts and tell me which side is right on the issue.

atty 4mo ago
Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. People can use the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions. That’s a separate issue from “are these facts correct” and what happens when an individual or entire party starts getting most of their news from highly partisan and unreliable sources.
- ceejayoz 4mo ago
  > Factuality is orthogonal to political leaning generally. Sometimes, but not always. https://www.fastcompany.com/91561329/widening-health-gap-between-liberals-and-conservatives https://www.fastcompany.com/91561329/widening-health-gap-bet... > By 2016, the gap had begun to appear in biomarker measures. By 2020, it was showing up in deaths from causes such as heart disease, cancer, and stroke. Since then, the gap has only widened. Between 2020 and 2022, only 0.2% of “very liberal” respondents died of internal causes, compared with 1.34% of “very conservative” respondents.
  - jjk7 4mo ago
    It's interesting how distrust for big pharma used to be left wing, but is now right wing. How did that happen?
    - ceejayoz 4mo ago
      It's a whole thing. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/fringe-left-alt-right-share-beliefs-white-power-movement/672454/ https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/12/fringe-lef...
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michaelmrose 4mo ago

LLM constantly regress towards statistically likely responses. If you trained a model on all of modern science and wanted to inject a pro young earth creationist bias you would find it challenging to keep it on topic and make it useful. Many issues are simply as black and white. The earth just isn't less than 10k years old, the miasma theory of disease isn't correct, too many brown people in America isn't a problem to be solved, the dems didn't fix the election in 2020, tax breaks for the rich don't trickle down and so forth. Conservationism in America has meant a rejection of progress for centuries and not a preservation of virtues. Slavery was a moral evil not an alternative social contract. If one side situates itself firmly on the side of evil it doesn't mean that the other side are on the side of the angels but the positions and ideals however poorly implemented or followed are factually and morally correct. A position situated between isn't wise or worldly its a sign of moral cowardice or intellectual disability. If someone asks you what 2 + 2 equals the answer isn't halfway in between 4 and 87 its just and only 4.

ecshafer 4mo ago
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- michaelmrose 4mo ago
  Young Earth creationism is a position held by 58% of those who self-identify as Republicans today. Slavery is a position that was supported by the overwhelming majority of southern conservatives immediately prior to its abolishment. The abuse of immigrants is something that the majority of conservatives are willing to accept even as they are killed. Conservativism is a constellation of selfish idealogically motivated positions which necessarily encompass many things embarrassing and others vile. Some embrace the vile whilst other's believe they can use the stupid to achieve ends like a return to a country dominated by white Christian men, a more hierarchal society where money and power flow to the right sort, a more friendly economic environment where they hope to achieve greater personal success, staving off social and political change etc. The most ugly aspects are poisoning everything and they cannot be ejected without losing the numbers needed to retain power and cleaving to them will itself cause the loss of power unless they also end democracy. The majority of those who call themselves Republicans will reject or have rejected both democracy and nonviolence because the alternative would be accepting defeat amongst a group self selected for selfishness.

AnthonyMouse 4mo ago

> On another note, I'm impressed that Gemini sits where it does as a true centrist. It's in the center as far as left/right, but it's the most authoritarian model on the chart. Keep in mind that the "political compass" was invented by libertarians to show people on the left and the right that both Mao and Hitler were villains and you should oppose autocrats and centralization of power regardless of your position on transfer payments. The thing is essentially designed to make any ordinary person realize they don't want anything in the top two squares, because "anti-authoritarian" is the bottom of the chart, not the center line. Obama's administration was the one perpetrating the things Snowden revealed, refused to pardon him or stop doing them, used the Espionage Act against whistleblowers, was running a corrupt justice apartment that tried to extort criminal defendants like Ross Ulbricht and then refused to allow him to present the improprieties in his defense to call into question the credibility of the investigators, etc. Macron is notorious for bypassing parliamentary votes and using police to suppress demonstrations. It has both of them on the libertarian side of the line with Gemini about that far in on the authoritarian side. That's not great.