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Citation?
by boxed 4mo ago
Citation?
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- coldtea 4mo agoWhy would a citation be needed?
- DanielHB 4mo agoActually yeah, data centers using evaporative cooling shouldn't be causing more waste heat problems than most types of heavy industry. Heck, I would guess that even if datacenters dumping hot water on rivers it shouldn't have much of an impact unless the river is very small. Shouldn't spread misinformation when there are plenty of other valid points about datacenters.
- coldtea 4mo ago>I would guess that even if datacenters dumping hot water on rivers it shouldn't have much of an impact unless the river is very small. That's the extraordinary claim. That is what should need citation, not the other way around.
- pjdesno 4mo agoThere aren't many heavy industries that dissipate 100MW of thermal energy, never mind a GW. Those that do - power generating facilities, large smelters, etc. - have very significant environmental footprints.
- freedomben 4mo agoUnless I'm misunderstanding, TFA is talking about a closed loop system and uses a coolant mix, so yeah I think a citation is needed.
- croes 4mo agoI guess parent means the heat has to somewhere, closed system or not. Some nuclear power plants use rivers and lakes, that’s bad for their ecosystems if it’s too much but this system uses dry coolers so the extra heat should be negligible
- __alexs 4mo agoIt goes to space like all the other heat does otherwise we'd be living on a ball of gently rotating lava.
- croes 4mo agoThe question is, where does it go before.
- coldtea 4mo agoWhy're living on a ball of gently (and not so gently) rising temperatures...
- throw1234567891 3mo agoIt used to be much warmer.
- boxed 3mo agoSure. The Earth used to be a ball of lava. Kinda not relevant when discussing the survivability of modern humans or the vast majority of the ecosystem though.
- j16sdiz 4mo agoBecause we want to understand what impact it is? Residential house emit heat too, but - most of the time - we don't consider them "destroys local ecosystems".. Maybe they do, but we don't treat them as a boolean thing, we try to understand the impact...
- MisterTea 4mo ago> Residential house emit heat too You are missing the context of the ecosystem - the topic is water ways. Homes aren't raising the temperature of local waterways which can wipe out entire fish and other aquatic populations while encouraging growth of oxygen depleting organisms and algae. Instead of a river or stream you have a dead stinking waterway.
- meatmanek 4mo ago> You are missing the context of the ecosystem That's one of several reasons why a citation is warranted.
- dirasieb 4mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(philosophy)
- coldtea 4mo agoThe burden on proof should be on "dumping hot water to a river doesn't damage its ecosystem" rather than the opposite...
- croes 4mo agoThat’s not what they are doing > capture heat directly at the source and transport it to outdoor dry coolers, essentially large radiator coils positioned outside the building. The heat goes into the air
- petit_robert 4mo ago>The heat goes into the air Can confirm : I'm reading this from France, we're in the 8th day of the meanest heatwave the country has known since records exist, and it's expected to last two more.
- throw1234567891 3mo agoMaybe Anthropic is training their latest model.
- customguy 4mo agoThe correct place to bring that up is here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48672306 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48672306 Dumping hot water into rivers harms ecosystems regardless of whether anyone happens to do it right now, and asking for a citation for that is such a WTF in and of itself we really shouldn't gloss over it.
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- thinkingtoilet 4mo agohttps://fieldreport.caes.uga.edu/publications/TP121/how-data-centers-impact-surface-and-ground-waters/ https://fieldreport.caes.uga.edu/publications/TP121/how-data...
- rick_dalton 3mo agoThis doesn't actually prove your original comment. It just says that it could happen, not that it is happening.