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Maybe. OP isn't saying it's necessarily malicious interference though.
by OJFord 4mo ago
Maybe. OP isn't saying it's necessarily malicious interference though.
- Blahah 4mo agoNot a stretch to imagine that it is though. Germany has some very effective radical vandals who make statements by interrupting infrastructure.
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- wolfi1 4mo agocould still be incompetence, one newspaper says an update has gone wrong
- section_me 4mo agoThe UK buys most of their trains from Deutsche Bahn (German Rail) and just brands them differently. British person living in Berlin.
- gpvos 4mo agoIncorrect. They wouldn't fit in the tiny UK loading gauge (profile). UK trains are indeed variants of continental models, but made to custom size, and many (most?) of them in the UK.
- ErroneousBosh 4mo agoLeide nicht. Trains in Germany and the UK for main-line running both use 1435mm gauge. UK trains are not a custom size.
- gpvos 4mo agoThey are. Rail gauge and loading gauge are different concepts. Use Wikipedia.
- phatfish 4mo agoEverything about UK rail is custom (apart from the gauge). Apparently it's one of the (many) reasons HS2 is such a mess. They were trying to run trains faster than typical continental high speed lines, which meant custom design work that needs loads of additional testing and certification. Rather than just use the Spanish or French high speed designs.
- dcel 4mo agoMax line speed of HS2 is 360km/h, with provision for 400 in some sections in future. This is entirely in line with many other modern HS lines. China’s been running regular 360km/h services for years. This is a project with a 200+ year shelf life. Designing to 300 or less would have been short sighted, and many of the changes to accommodate such high speeds actually reduce costs in the long term (slab track, headroom to catch up delayed services, ability for one trainset to operate more services per day etc). The cost overruns of HS2 are primarily from plain old poor project management, complex planning law and constant political meddling, not engineering decisions.
- bluGill 4mo agoChina has run at 360kmh before, but last I checked they mostly run slower. Air resistance is a killer as you go faster. So for trains 300 is usually about the best compromise between energy use and speed. If you want to go faster a jet at altitude is going to be much faster at a better fuel efficiency. High speeds make sense for long distances.
- dcel 4mo agoThis is a project designed to last for centuries. We’re not even fossil free yet and already seeing days of negative electricity cost thanks to renewables. In 50 years the extra energy cost is going to be a rounding error. Locking ourselves into 300km/h forever to save a relatively small sum is unfathomably short sighted.
- tonyedgecombe 4mo agoOne of the drivers of cost has been the high speed part. It meant the route needed to be straight which meant more tunnelling to avoid certain areas. Lower speed track would have allowed them to route around problem areas.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_gauge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_gauge / Lichtraumprofil are different.
- ahartmetz 4mo agoDeutsche Bahn doesn't manufacture rolling stock. They buy it from Siemens, Stadler, Talgo, Alstom etc... Edit: AFAIK, some of it - mainly high-speed trains - is designed according to DB specs and subsequently offered under a new name (and with changes) to other train companies. For example DB ICE 3 (manufactured by Siemens) / Siemens Velaro.
- SiempreViernes 4mo agoYou can probably buy some of the older rolling stock from DB thought.
- bennofs 4mo agoThere is even a website just for that: https://www.db-gebrauchtzug.de/r/gbzp/gbzp/home?session=222825306192 https://www.db-gebrauchtzug.de/r/gbzp/gbzp/home?session=2228...
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- ahartmetz 4mo agoIt does happen occasionally, but DB tends to run, maintain and sometimes upgrade its successful (~reliable and widely introduced) rolling stock until it falls apart or is grossly outdated (40+ years old). Rail passenger numbers are increasing, so there is no need to sell stuff to downsize. The Flixtrain company uses 40+ years old IC (intercity) cars - they have no air conditioning and it's really loud inside with open windows, especially so in tunnels. That is the kind of stuff that DB sells.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4mo agoHrrm. Funny. I thought that those were so called "Eurofima", which I remember as fucking cold in summer, because then their AC were set at full blast, which was annoying at the times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima_coach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima_coach Also no real opening of windows anymore, because early onset of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druckertüchtigte_Schienenfahrzeuge https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druckertüchtigte_Schienenfahrz... <- meaning pressure protection against passing trains at high speeds, entering tunnels, and such.
- gib444 4mo ago> The UK buys most of their trains from Deutsche Bahn (German Rail) and just brands them differently. This is totally incorrect. We buy our trains from French/Swiss/German/Spanish/Belgian manufacturers, or build them ourselves in eg Derby. We do not buy our trains from DB.
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