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I believe it's an official or semi-official Google github org. Typically at Google there is some process you are supposed to follow when opensourcing your code

by dekhn 4mo ago

I believe it's an official or semi-official Google github org. Typically at Google there is some process you are supposed to follow when opensourcing your code, and a repo like this exists specifically to get more people to use the API. The CLI still exists at the repo and the repo still has the Google branding, so it's 99% certain this is a Google repo. If you do an end-run around the normal open source publishing you can get in trouble- up to and including termination- but my guess is there is more context around the firing than just "posted open source code to work with standard Google APIs". For example, you can get punished at google (up to and including termination) for raising your voice in a meeting.

fragmede 4mo ago
Yes, berating a coworker for being a fucking moron is unacceptable in corporate America.
- hilariously 4mo ago
  The truth is that in decent workplaces we've figured out attacking people doesn't generally get what you want, unless what you want is to have a tantrum. Calling an idea nonsense is fine, calling it not profitable is great, and saying its a waste of time is a Monday. Attacking someone as a fucking moron is pointless, just fire them, deprioritize them, or move on.
  - fragmede 4mo ago
    It's a reframe for > you can get punished at google (up to and including termination) for raising your voice in a meeting. That makes it sound like Google is really weird for firing people for merely "raising your voice in a meeting", but the reality is that toxic assholes who can't control their emotions and yell racist slurs at people do get fired, but, uh, shouldn't they?
    - dekhn 4mo ago
      how did you get from "raising your voice in a meeting" to "toxic assholes" and "racist slurs". Those are very different.
      - fragmede 4mo ago
        They are! That's my point! I've raised my voice in a meeting while I was at Google and not gotten fired. I was also around for that bit with "son of a bitch, I'm in" on memegen. I'm not saying that no one anywhere has ever been fired for raising their voice at Google during a meeting but without a more thorough description of the exact circumstances that led to that happening I guess what I'm saying isit's not a normal thing at Google.
OJFord 4mo ago
Ah ok, that makes a lot more sense. Makes it a lot less clear why he was fired, but his side as told makes more sense at least!
fg137 4mo ago
How come it's not under "google" organization, which is where almost every other Google open source project lives (with the exception of a few notable ones)? That's just weird. And if you look at the history, the main maintainer for the project was really just one person. Even today, the repo clearly says "This is not an officially supported Google product." So what is this? If you told me the "googleworkspace" account is owned and controlled by this individual, not Google, I would have believed it.
- dekhn 4mo ago
  Google has multiple orgs on github: google, google-cloud-platform, chromium, android, flutter, angular, tensorflow all have their own top-level orgs because google ships its org chart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law). Some orgs have been created by google and then released to the wild (kubernetes). I think but I'm not sure that this is a "semi-official" org run by Google DevRel. Perhaps it has looser rules and ownership than the more official orgs? If I'm using the Wayback Machine properly, https://web.archive.org/web/20201130062102/https://github.com/googleworkspace https://web.archive.org/web/20201130062102/https://github.co... shows that the site already used the Google logo way back in 2020 (earliest snapshot).
cloche 4mo ago
Also, the one person listed in the Organization Members works at Google as a Developer Advocate.

by dekhn 4mo ago

fragmede 4mo ago

Yes, berating a coworker for being a fucking moron is unacceptable in corporate America.

hilariously 4mo ago
The truth is that in decent workplaces we've figured out attacking people doesn't generally get what you want, unless what you want is to have a tantrum. Calling an idea nonsense is fine, calling it not profitable is great, and saying its a waste of time is a Monday. Attacking someone as a fucking moron is pointless, just fire them, deprioritize them, or move on.
- fragmede 4mo ago
  It's a reframe for > you can get punished at google (up to and including termination) for raising your voice in a meeting. That makes it sound like Google is really weird for firing people for merely "raising your voice in a meeting", but the reality is that toxic assholes who can't control their emotions and yell racist slurs at people do get fired, but, uh, shouldn't they?
  - dekhn 4mo ago
    how did you get from "raising your voice in a meeting" to "toxic assholes" and "racist slurs". Those are very different.
    - fragmede 4mo ago
      They are! That's my point! I've raised my voice in a meeting while I was at Google and not gotten fired. I was also around for that bit with "son of a bitch, I'm in" on memegen. I'm not saying that no one anywhere has ever been fired for raising their voice at Google during a meeting but without a more thorough description of the exact circumstances that led to that happening I guess what I'm saying isit's not a normal thing at Google.

OJFord 4mo ago

Ah ok, that makes a lot more sense. Makes it a lot less clear why he was fired, but his side as told makes more sense at least!

fg137 4mo ago

How come it's not under "google" organization, which is where almost every other Google open source project lives (with the exception of a few notable ones)? That's just weird. And if you look at the history, the main maintainer for the project was really just one person. Even today, the repo clearly says "This is not an officially supported Google product." So what is this? If you told me the "googleworkspace" account is owned and controlled by this individual, not Google, I would have believed it.

dekhn 4mo ago
Google has multiple orgs on github: google, google-cloud-platform, chromium, android, flutter, angular, tensorflow all have their own top-level orgs because google ships its org chart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_law). Some orgs have been created by google and then released to the wild (kubernetes). I think but I'm not sure that this is a "semi-official" org run by Google DevRel. Perhaps it has looser rules and ownership than the more official orgs? If I'm using the Wayback Machine properly, https://web.archive.org/web/20201130062102/https://github.com/googleworkspace https://web.archive.org/web/20201130062102/https://github.co... shows that the site already used the Google logo way back in 2020 (earliest snapshot).

cloche 4mo ago

Also, the one person listed in the Organization Members works at Google as a Developer Advocate.