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> The US govt is going to ban foreign models The people have a right to make and use whatever models they want, protected by the constitution. At a minimum, t
by hackingonempty 3mo ago
> The US govt is going to ban foreign models
The people have a right to make and use whatever models they want, protected by the constitution. At a minimum, the models are described in research papers that are unquestionably protected speech. Skilled devs turn those into programs, also protected speech.
- tmpz22 3mo agoYes our passionate defense of Academia will surely survive Techno Oligarchs desire for a 20th vacation home
- giantrobot 3mo agoThe current administration has repeatedly demonstrated they do not feel constrained by laws or the Constitution.
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 3mo agoHow could Trump ban tiktok then? And Fable for that matter. Maybe you're somehow legally allowed to distribute and download the weights, but most of us can't run GLM 5.2 at home.
- verdverm 3mo agoYou won't need a frontier size model for most tasks before long. Qwen 3.6 (small) punches way above its weight. I run it at home @8bit on an OEM Spark
- dualvariable 3mo agoAnd corporations could run DeepSeek models on cloud hardware.
- verdverm 3mo agoYou can run most open models on cloud hardware. Google Cloud gives you a click to deploy, but then you have saturation / ROI considerations, versus Google serving them up multi-tenant, per-token.
- dualvariable 3mo agoFor ROI though you can run 24/7 agentic-style workloads, constantly churning through all your source code looking for security bugs (or whatever) and you DONT pay per-token costs. A DeepSeek instance running 24/7 in a cloud provider will beat doing that with Claude which could bankrupt you with 100x more costs, even though it might find more. And DeepSeek may find enough to keep your engineering team saturated and busy fixing things.
- verdverm 3mo agoThis process works better with multiple models and not simply slinging Ai at it 24/7. It's not an ROI just because you keep the GPU busy. The signal to noise ratio is not there yet
- kappar 3mo agoSecond this, I am also running qwen 3.6 35b Q8 on a 5090 liquid getting around 250 tokens / second and it is plenty capable. I actually haven't even looked at models recently because I am happy with what I have. And.. now I feel the need to look again. Darn, there goes my afternoon
- wqaatwt 3mo agoThey “banned” the company, not the product. US government could ban US citizens from buying tokens from certain Chinese provider but there is no precedent for banning the usage of specific software if you run it yourself.
- hdgvhicv 3mo agoDecss
- skywhopper 3mo agoThe US government isn’t supposed to be allowed to constrain speech, but they do have the power to constrain commerce, and they can ban the sale of AI services and AI-capable hardware if they choose.
- andrekandre 3mo ago> but they do have the power to constrain commerce its an interesting idea; i'd like to see someone claim buying/selling as a form of speech...
- Supermancho 3mo agoCitizens United got pretty close in the Supreme Court's 5–4 decision on January 21, 2010, ruling that corporations and unions cannot be prohibited from making independent political expenditures, citing First Amendment free speech protections.
- andrekandre 3mo agoyea, that was the hint in my comment... just waiting for the other shoe to drop so to speak
- BigTTYGothGF 3mo ago> protected by the constitution I don't see how.
- N_Lens 3mo agoConstitution doing more work as toilet paper these days.