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If you try very hard, you can understand the reason for bombardment, at least from the BEGINNING. Surely, not the reason for killing these poor children. But I

If you try very hard, you can understand the reason for bombardment, at least from the BEGINNING. Surely, not the reason for killing these poor children. But I never came to better conclusion about West Bank annexation that that it is pure imperialism. Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. I'm still not quite sure what is the purpose, there is really not enough land or it's all just bs? I wonder if this ends up Flagged.

Protostome 4mo ago
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- n4r9 4mo ago
  There is a severe lack of construction materials in Gaza. My guess is that Hamas has a choice between using what's left for tunnels, or losing the war.
  - Protostome 4mo ago
    That's a slight mix of cause and effect. There is a shortage of construction material because Hamas uses it not for the wellbeing of the citizens of Gaza, but for the construction of border crossing tunnels into Israel.
    - n4r9 4mo ago
      Sure, that's Israel's purported reason for all of its blockades. The result, as in most cases in history, is that civilians bear the overwhelming brunt of the impact while the military resistance digs further in, switches to guerilla tactics, and becomes increasingly popular amongst civilians. Regardless, my original point stands that Hamas do not have the means and resources both to build public shelters for everyone and to continue its military efforts.
- hsuduebc2 4mo ago
  That's why I mentioned that it was very shallowly understandable at the beginning. Not after few years of massacre. Interesting part about your commentary is, that you completely ignored the West bank I mentioned. Place when Israel forces killed hundreds of children with sole reason or colonisation of land belonging to someone else. Or at least I never found any other explanation for behavior at the West Bank.
- eagleal 4mo ago
  > Firing from schools, hospitals and resendential buildings. I really don't want to descend into countless counterexamples, but that's how virtually every military or militia wages war, including the IDF. I assume your confusion on this issue may be due to a lack of familiarity with the subject. Usually never ever has anything to do with malevolence (eg. in an attempt to use the counter strike as a propaganda story). More often, it's just a matter of convenience, logistics, and the realities of operating in populated areas. If there's one thing that CIA manuals on training militias stressed on, or any military history book in that regard, it's that soldiers need to be fed and supported. Or they'll find ways to meet those needs without you.
  - Protostome 4mo ago
    Are you saying that every militia and army use hospitals as a base from which to wage war? (e.g. firing rockets, artillery shells, etc)
    - eagleal 4mo ago
      Units will use any reinforced or cover position to carry their objective. Even roofs of civilians apartments, let alone reinforced structures such as hospitals, town halls, schools, etc if they can't use alternatives. Even antique frontal wars used terrain to their advantage. That's why we wrote rules of engagement, but if the bigger powers themselves abuse them, how can you expect militias that have to carry guerrilla or urban tactics to stand by them?
      - Protostome 4mo ago
        Well, every choice has a consequence. For Israel the choice was accept rockets fired on Israeli towns on a regular basis(not settlements, btw, just towns within the 1948 UN recognized borders of Israel) or respond. BTW, The response came after texting the residents, distributing leaflets and annoncening in every way possible that the place is going to be bombed. BTW (2), For years Israel avoided bombing dense residential areas, despite knowing the origin of those rockets.
    - 4mo ago
- throw310822 4mo ago
  How do you place millions of people in bomb shelters when your neighbour of a few kms away bombs you any time it wants from fighter jets? Have you not seen the footage of bombs dropped with no warnings in the middle of the streets, on residential buildings, on schools, on hospitals? Israelis have bomb shelters because have ample warning and an enemy that is barely able to hit anything. This blaming the victims of your own bombings for not taking shelter- actually accusing them to be responsible for their own deaths and those of their relatives, parents, wives, children, is some of the most revolting and shameless Israeli propaganda.
  - Protostome 4mo ago
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    - throw310822 4mo ago
      "Israeli authorities and security forces deliberately targeted Palestinian children, resulting in genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in Gaza, and war crimes in the occupied West Bank, an independent U.N. inquiry said on Tuesday." Literally the first paragraph of the article we're commenting.
- throwaway6342 4mo ago
  They are deliberately targeting tent encampments. Given the IDF mil tech I guess they can deliberately target and destroy any kind of shelter. May, 2024: At least 21 killed in Israeli attacks on tent camp near Gaza’s Rafah [4] September, 2024: An Israeli strike on humanitarian tent camp for displaced Gazans killed at least 19 people [5] December 2024: Seven attacks on tent encampments in the past two weeks kill 34 Palestinians including 10 children [2] April 2025, Israeli strikes kill Palestinians in tented area for displaced in Gaza [3] January, 2026: Israeli airstrikes targeted tents belonging to displaced people [1] [1] https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/israeli-airstrikes-targeted-tents-belonging-to-displaced-people-according-to-the-ministry-of-health-in-the-al-mawasi-area-of-khan-younis/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjY6bmV3c21sX1JDMjhDSkFYV1dOOA https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/israeli-airstrikes-targe... [2] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-opt-press-release-05dec24/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-opt-press-release-... [3] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrl891j23o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrl891j23o [4] https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/5/28/at-least-21-killed-dozens-wounded-in-israeli-attacks-on-gazas-rafah https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/5/28/at-least-21-kil... [5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/an-israeli-strike-on-humanitarian-tent-camp-for-displaced-gazans-killed-at-least-19-people https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/an-israeli-strike-on-huma...
throw310822 4mo ago
> Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. Not sure it's the same thing. Russians want political and territorial control in Ukraine, not expelling Ukrainians to resettle the place with "ethnic Russians". Israel wants to conquer the whole of Palestine (West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem) to replace the native population with its own. There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewish state, not in a thousand years, and by design.
- hsuduebc2 4mo ago
  Well russians over the history resettled the native population numerous times, even resettle russians there. But the truth is they mostly want control for whatever reason they made up. Part of their propaganda is thet Ukrainians are basically confused russians so you got the point here. But I wouldn't be sure about your claim regarding Israel. Even now there are millions of Palestinians with Israel citizenship. I understand the deeply rooted animosity with hamas but I do not understand the whole point of this type of colonisation of west bank. I suppose it have something to do with their extreme religious part of goverment? You've had a point. Maybe it's more like Native Americans and colonizer type of situation.
  - cicko 4mo ago
    Those Palestinians with Israeli citizenship are no longer allowed into Israel. That's my understanding after watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmE-WiC4eA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmE-WiC4eA
    - Throw4832226 4mo ago
      You’ve either misunderstood or the youtuber is lying to you.
      - jst1fthsdys 4mo ago
        Third option: it's true.
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Throw4832226 4mo ago
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gershy 4mo ago
The west bank annexation happened in response to Jordanian aggression (who were joining with Egypt, with whom Jordan had a mutual defense pact, in a war I would say was ambiguously instigated by Israel/Egypt). Israel holds the territory with its army, and claims that neither Jordan (nor any country) owned it beforehand, which is a better-founded argument than some people may expect - the west bank was originally, by england, designated as a palestinian - not jordanian - state, arab leadership rejected it (to also reject an israeli state), england withdrew from it, and jordan occupied it, with very very limited international recognition. It's a pretty crazy history, I hope I got it right, please fact-check me.

Protostome 4mo ago

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n4r9 4mo ago
There is a severe lack of construction materials in Gaza. My guess is that Hamas has a choice between using what's left for tunnels, or losing the war.
- Protostome 4mo ago
  That's a slight mix of cause and effect. There is a shortage of construction material because Hamas uses it not for the wellbeing of the citizens of Gaza, but for the construction of border crossing tunnels into Israel.
  - n4r9 4mo ago
    Sure, that's Israel's purported reason for all of its blockades. The result, as in most cases in history, is that civilians bear the overwhelming brunt of the impact while the military resistance digs further in, switches to guerilla tactics, and becomes increasingly popular amongst civilians. Regardless, my original point stands that Hamas do not have the means and resources both to build public shelters for everyone and to continue its military efforts.
hsuduebc2 4mo ago
That's why I mentioned that it was very shallowly understandable at the beginning. Not after few years of massacre. Interesting part about your commentary is, that you completely ignored the West bank I mentioned. Place when Israel forces killed hundreds of children with sole reason or colonisation of land belonging to someone else. Or at least I never found any other explanation for behavior at the West Bank.
eagleal 4mo ago
> Firing from schools, hospitals and resendential buildings. I really don't want to descend into countless counterexamples, but that's how virtually every military or militia wages war, including the IDF. I assume your confusion on this issue may be due to a lack of familiarity with the subject. Usually never ever has anything to do with malevolence (eg. in an attempt to use the counter strike as a propaganda story). More often, it's just a matter of convenience, logistics, and the realities of operating in populated areas. If there's one thing that CIA manuals on training militias stressed on, or any military history book in that regard, it's that soldiers need to be fed and supported. Or they'll find ways to meet those needs without you.
- Protostome 4mo ago
  Are you saying that every militia and army use hospitals as a base from which to wage war? (e.g. firing rockets, artillery shells, etc)
  - eagleal 4mo ago
    Units will use any reinforced or cover position to carry their objective. Even roofs of civilians apartments, let alone reinforced structures such as hospitals, town halls, schools, etc if they can't use alternatives. Even antique frontal wars used terrain to their advantage. That's why we wrote rules of engagement, but if the bigger powers themselves abuse them, how can you expect militias that have to carry guerrilla or urban tactics to stand by them?
    - Protostome 4mo ago
      Well, every choice has a consequence. For Israel the choice was accept rockets fired on Israeli towns on a regular basis(not settlements, btw, just towns within the 1948 UN recognized borders of Israel) or respond. BTW, The response came after texting the residents, distributing leaflets and annoncening in every way possible that the place is going to be bombed. BTW (2), For years Israel avoided bombing dense residential areas, despite knowing the origin of those rockets.
  - 4mo ago
throw310822 4mo ago
How do you place millions of people in bomb shelters when your neighbour of a few kms away bombs you any time it wants from fighter jets? Have you not seen the footage of bombs dropped with no warnings in the middle of the streets, on residential buildings, on schools, on hospitals? Israelis have bomb shelters because have ample warning and an enemy that is barely able to hit anything. This blaming the victims of your own bombings for not taking shelter- actually accusing them to be responsible for their own deaths and those of their relatives, parents, wives, children, is some of the most revolting and shameless Israeli propaganda.
- Protostome 4mo ago
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  - throw310822 4mo ago
    "Israeli authorities and security forces deliberately targeted Palestinian children, resulting in genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes in Gaza, and war crimes in the occupied West Bank, an independent U.N. inquiry said on Tuesday." Literally the first paragraph of the article we're commenting.
throwaway6342 4mo ago
They are deliberately targeting tent encampments. Given the IDF mil tech I guess they can deliberately target and destroy any kind of shelter. May, 2024: At least 21 killed in Israeli attacks on tent camp near Gaza’s Rafah [4] September, 2024: An Israeli strike on humanitarian tent camp for displaced Gazans killed at least 19 people [5] December 2024: Seven attacks on tent encampments in the past two weeks kill 34 Palestinians including 10 children [2] April 2025, Israeli strikes kill Palestinians in tented area for displaced in Gaza [3] January, 2026: Israeli airstrikes targeted tents belonging to displaced people [1] [1] https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/israeli-airstrikes-targeted-tents-belonging-to-displaced-people-according-to-the-ministry-of-health-in-the-al-mawasi-area-of-khan-younis/dGFnOnJldXRlcnMuY29tLDIwMjY6bmV3c21sX1JDMjhDSkFYV1dOOA https://www.reutersconnect.com/item/israeli-airstrikes-targe... [2] https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-opt-press-release-05dec24/ https://www.un.org/unispal/document/ohchr-opt-press-release-... [3] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrl891j23o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yrl891j23o [4] https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/5/28/at-least-21-killed-dozens-wounded-in-israeli-attacks-on-gazas-rafah https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/5/28/at-least-21-kil... [5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/an-israeli-strike-on-humanitarian-tent-camp-for-displaced-gazans-killed-at-least-19-people https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/an-israeli-strike-on-huma...

throw310822 4mo ago

> Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. Not sure it's the same thing. Russians want political and territorial control in Ukraine, not expelling Ukrainians to resettle the place with "ethnic Russians". Israel wants to conquer the whole of Palestine (West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem) to replace the native population with its own. There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewish state, not in a thousand years, and by design.

hsuduebc2 4mo ago
Well russians over the history resettled the native population numerous times, even resettle russians there. But the truth is they mostly want control for whatever reason they made up. Part of their propaganda is thet Ukrainians are basically confused russians so you got the point here. But I wouldn't be sure about your claim regarding Israel. Even now there are millions of Palestinians with Israel citizenship. I understand the deeply rooted animosity with hamas but I do not understand the whole point of this type of colonisation of west bank. I suppose it have something to do with their extreme religious part of goverment? You've had a point. Maybe it's more like Native Americans and colonizer type of situation.
- cicko 4mo ago
  Those Palestinians with Israeli citizenship are no longer allowed into Israel. That's my understanding after watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmE-WiC4eA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrmE-WiC4eA
  - Throw4832226 4mo ago
    You’ve either misunderstood or the youtuber is lying to you.
    - jst1fthsdys 4mo ago
      Third option: it's true.
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Throw4832226 4mo ago

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gershy 4mo ago

The west bank annexation happened in response to Jordanian aggression (who were joining with Egypt, with whom Jordan had a mutual defense pact, in a war I would say was ambiguously instigated by Israel/Egypt). Israel holds the territory with its army, and claims that neither Jordan (nor any country) owned it beforehand, which is a better-founded argument than some people may expect - the west bank was originally, by england, designated as a palestinian - not jordanian - state, arab leadership rejected it (to also reject an israeli state), england withdrew from it, and jordan occupied it, with very very limited international recognition. It's a pretty crazy history, I hope I got it right, please fact-check me.