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I don't know what you mean by 'killed.' It'd be sold out faster than hot cakes.
by raincole 4mo ago
I don't know what you mean by 'killed.' It'd be sold out faster than hot cakes.
- Forgeties79 4mo agoNo way. $1100+ to play games with medium/high settings at 1080p? You can probably buy a prebuilt tower that does better than that at that price.
- newdee 4mo agoYes, you could also buy a gaming console instead of a PC. These are not the same things. This will sell out.
- Forgeties79 4mo agoA steam machine is a PC in a small form factor. I’m not talking about consoles, I said PC.
- newdee 4mo agoSteam machine is a console: - homogenous and standardised hardware - vendor backed compatibility certification programme - standardised OS with atomic, image based updates - plug in, login and play your library potentially without touching a mouse or keyboard - HDMI CEC out of box - controller integration with instant sleep/wake (as seen on steam deck) - operates quietly Steam machine is a PC (not like a console): - not priced as a loss leader - runs any desktop OS - it’s a PC You can do all of this out of box, it’s turnkey, it’s primarily a console experience but a PC if you need it. My point was that comparing this to a prebuilt or BYO PC is like comparing a console to a PC. Different value prop.
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- Forgeties79 4mo agoIt's not comparing a console to a PC because a console, historically, has had way more firepower than the cost. It's only with recent hikes that that changed. There is no way you could've matched a PS5 at launch for $400 even with the most patient of PC builds. It's telling that depending on who I talk to, they go "it's a PC, not a console" or "it's a console, not a PC." It's neither and it's both. It brings the PC's flexibility to a console experience, but for $1100 is that enough? It won't be as turnkey as a console (steam deck showed they can't quite get there) and it's hundreds more than one.
- newdee 4mo agoI don’t really think were disagreeing at this point…
- iAMkenough 4mo ago> 4K gaming at 60 FPS with FSR
- raincole 4mo agoNo way people will buy more games when their libraries are full of unplayed games... No way players will ever accept microtransactions... Ok, Asia is doomed but no way western players will ever accept microtransactions... No way...
- mrzool 4mo ago“There’s no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance.” –Some Microsoft guy
- reddalo 4mo ago"640k of memory ought to be enough for anybody" -Fake Bill Gates quote
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- Forgeties79 4mo agoHow is that remotely like this at all?
- mrzool 4mo agoI guess we’ll see.
- Forgeties79 4mo agoWhether I’m right or wrong about how it does doesn’t indicate whether this can be compared to an iPhone. That’s a bizarre comparison. The steam machine, even if it’s very successful, will sell at most a few million units. And that is truly a big “if.” The iPhone sold almost 40mill units in its first 3 years and its value was reality apparent to basically anyone. These aren’t remotely comparable products.
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- fullstop 4mo agoThis is 6x6x6" and can sit on my desk, quietly.
- jakeydus 4mo agoOr next to the TV in the living room and not look conspicuous.
- benoau 4mo agoMac Mini will handle 1080p very well.
- lenerdenator 4mo agoI have an M2 MBP. If only it'd just play my Steam library without emulation or compatibility layers.
- maccard 4mo agoA steam machine is running wine as a comparability layer, fwiw
- rtkwe 4mo agoThere's a lot less emulation to do though because it's still running on x86 and the same graphics chips so the main emulation are the wine system calls and proton that handles the graphics calls. Running the same on the M* chips you're switching entire architectures and there's just not the history there to support the work. Proton drastically improved Linux gaming performance and it's largely from Steam investing money in it to avoid being locked into Windows if Microsoft ever tried to wall off the Windows garden to demand a cut of every store on the OS like Apple does with iOS and friends.
- maccard 4mo agoI don’t disagree with you but it’s still an emulation layer.
- rtkwe 4mo agoSure but with all the work that's gone into it Proton is a VERY low friction emulation layer which is what matters more than the abstract idea of one being there or not. Proton works well enough it's largely invisible that you're running on an EMU layer outside of a few quirks like anticheat and more draconian DRM schemes not working.
- willis936 4mo agoYou could have done that 12 months ago.
- Elidrake24 4mo agoIt isn't difficult to fact check this; the markup is ~$80 from what I can buy independently, not factoring in general extra cost for mini-pc parts.
- kllrnohj 4mo agoI think you need to check out what prebuilt PC prices are now. This is pretty much the same price as a DIY. Just to pick on someone, iBuyPower's cheapest "RDY" prebuilt gaming PC has 6 performance cores, 16GB RAM, 8GB VRAM RTX 5050, 1TB NVME, and costs $1200. Basically same specs as the Steam Machine, for a very similar price, but in a typical midtower instead of a sleek, compact cube
- ZekeSulastin 4mo ago> basically same specs The RTX 5050 8 GB is 10-20% faster and the Intel 225F is significantly more powerful (a bit harder to get percentage ranges there since there aren't many 225 benchmarks). The Steam Machine has been known to be roughly a Ryzen 5 3600 + RX 7600 M performance wise for a while and the release benchmarks have confirmed it; given Valve's statements that it would likely cost more than consoles before prices went haywire, I don't think the Steam Machine would ever have been priced competitively.
- kllrnohj 4mo agoSteam Machine very clearly states Zen 4, so it has approximately a Ryzen 5 7600, not 3600. So no, the 225F is not going to be significantly more powerful. > The RTX 5050 8 GB is 10-20% faster yeah... like I said, basically the same? but if you're determined to split hairs, then that 10-20% faster is also 10-20% more expensive ($1050 vs $1200), so it's still a wash either way. But when "just" a 5060 Ti 8gb (supposedly a $380 GPU) is then 50% faster than the 5050... Clearly the steam machine and 5050 are playing in the same ball pit here. They're doing the same gaming experience
- zamalek 4mo agoNote that the performance of the RTX 5050 is completely irrelevant if it doesn't work. While some say that their NVIDIA rig is working, that's a risk that's probably not worth taking for something that is expected to "just work." The last thing a console user would tolerate is dealing with whatever mess NVIDIA has dreamed up next. You need to build within the same constraints. Also, it's $71 more thanjdiy according to GN.
- bluescrn 4mo agoThe people buying this will be a small niche who have a lot of disposable income, already have a high spec gaming PC and a Steam library, and likely already have a laptop or handheld before considering this as a third device for the living room. At these prices, it's not going to convince console gamers/more casual gamers to move to Steam. Steam Deck was also vastly more appealing at launch when the base model was £349 (64GB/LCD). It now starts at close to twice the price, £649 (512GB/OLED) despite the hardware being kind of old at this point.
- marcus_holmes 4mo agoI'm considering it, but as a replacement for the desktop gaming machine. I'm already running Linux on the desktop. I don't use it for anything else, I have a MacBook for non-gaming. The desktop is due for an upgrade soon, and upgrading to a Steam Machine makes total sense to me. I don't have to deal with driver issues, and I get a supported config that will just work with my steam library. I might have to put my current SSD into a cage and add it as an external drive somehow, because I don't want to download a couple of TB of Steam library. I don't give a shit about graphics quality - I play games for the gameplay not for the graphics, and mostly play strategy games anyway. I already have a Deck and love that for travelling. A Machine as a non-travelling version of that would be great.
- Forgeties79 4mo agoExactly what I’m thinking.
- neogodless 4mo agoCould you please help me by listing one or two prebuilt towers with sufficient gaming performance for $1100? I see examples like this: https://www.bestbuy.com/product/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-amd-ryzen-7-8700f-amd-radeon-rx-7700-16gb-16gb-ddr5-1tb-pcie-4-0-ssd-storage-black/J3L7GQWRWR https://www.bestbuy.com/product/cyberpowerpc-gaming-desktop-... ($1200) The Steam Machine is $150 cheaper, less storage, and due to lower TDP going to perform more poorly. But... I want something I can hide behind my TV that is very quiet. Can you help me find towers like that?
- Forgeties79 4mo agoIf you’re fine paying a premium because you value a smaller form factor than a typical tower then sure go ahead and get a steam machine. But that seems like a steep price just to have a smaller machine. I’m not going to start posting a bunch of different computers and then have us get bogged down nitpicking the specs. Go look at a couple of vendors and compare prices. The steam machine is just not competitively priced IMO and you don’t need their hardware to get the same experience when bazzite exists and runs great. Plus they will probably do a major release steamOS for desktop again soon anyway so you can likely boot that up soon.
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- koolala 4mo agoIt also killed their ability to make lots of units. They say so themselves. Selling out isn't a good thing.
- jgon 4mo agoIf you make 5 of a product and put a bunch of marketing behind it you can sell out too. People are going to use "selling out" as some sort of barometer of success but its like the lizard-man veto in politics. You'll always find some small percentage of people who will vote for the motion "the nation's leaders are a group of lizard people", but you can't use that as any sort of signal regarding the validity of the claim of the motion. Valve could have priced this at 5k and probably found a couple thousand buyers, and if they only made a few thousand boxes they could claim it sold out then too. This thing is DOA in terms of having any major success or impact on the gaming market when I can walk down to my neighborhood PC store and either build a better PC myself for less money (at off the shelf markups no less!!!) or get a pre-built with better specs that costs less. I could buy a P5Pro and a Switch 2 combined for less money than the 2TB version, and the PS5Pro has 2tb as well! Its actually mind boggling that Valve is coming in with a less economic product that a fucking hand-built premade at my local PC store.
- refulgentis 4mo agoThis is a good general theory, but generic and sort of reasons backwards from "actually it's not popular"
- wavemode 4mo agoIt's objectively a terrible deal. It has console specs for double the price of a console. In fact you could literally just buy a separate PS5 and Macbook Neo and spend less than most Steam Machine configurations, so even the "it's also a computer" selling point is not that big of a deal.
- philistine 4mo agoDear god, when Valve sells a computer that's twice the price of a comparable Mac, the world's turned upside down.
- russelg 4mo agoComparable Mac, except for you know, all the game support.
- OtomotO 4mo agoDepending on the games and how much you're willing to pay for them, the price point shift very fast. No steam sales on consoles after all