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There is one thing that might be in his power: to stop censoring and arresting people protesting against genocide. Edit: lol thanks HN for the usual downvote!

There is one thing that might be in his power: to stop censoring and arresting people protesting against genocide. Edit: lol thanks HN for the usual downvote! :) I love this place!

gadders 4mo ago
...or any topic really. More people on the right than the left are being jailed for hurty words.
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  Getting constantly distracted by foreign-policy items 90% of voters barely care about is how the UK wound up in this mess.
  - gadders 4mo ago
    Oh agreed. If anyone cares that much travel back to whichever country they support and enlist. Also renounce your British citizenship at the same time.
    - gaiagraphia 4mo ago
      I practically beelined to Ukraine when the war broke out and dedicated a good 2 months to humanitarian work. I've probably achieved more independently than huge organised movements with probable nation state backing. Huge amounts of funding, huge election talking points, hundreds of thousands of people, entire student bodies, propaganda networks, and what quantifiable achievements have been made? It all comes off as a preformative social occasion with 0 goals. Have far more respect for those who put their money where their mouth is and actually joined ISIS than the professional protestor caste.
      - gadders 4mo ago
        I always think of the example of my step-grandad (amongst others) who left the UK to join the International Brigade during the Spanish Civil War.
OgsyedIE 4mo ago
I'm opposed too but there's little recognizance of the poor position the UK is in. Under the current decline of Britain's economic foundations, having enough diesel and gas to keep the lights on and the lorries running depends on imports from the US, which could well be banned overnight if the president - any president - feels they need to crack the whip. Opposing the Oval Office means shortages in the supermarkets, gas power stations turning off and a bond crash that makes the DWP lack the liquidity to service all of the monthly state pension payments, besides a great many other problems.
marysol5 4mo ago
You mean Palestine Action specifically, because the leadership of that group are violent terrorists. It's weird how you people never notice that NOBODY else is "arrested"
- OgsyedIE 4mo ago
  Over 2,000 middle aged women have been arrested as terrorists on the basis of holding protest signs though, it's been widely reported.
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  - mytailorisrich 4mo ago
    They did that on purpose, though: Palestine Action has been banned on the basis of being a "terror organisation", this means that supporting them is a criminal offence. Knowing that, they purposedly propested by holding signs saying that they supported Palestine Action... and therefore they were arrested as expected (and really the police has no choice in such cases not to undermine the rule of law). Note what the Court of Appeal said when ruling that the ban on terror grounds was legal: [It was] "a fundamental mistake to overlook the fact that Palestine Action overtly promotes unlawful violence amounting to terrorism. It is not - as claimed - a direct action civil disobedience protest group like the suffragettes, operating transparently in the open. It is a covert organisation which operates with secret cells to avoid the detection and prosecution of those using violence to destroy property and cause injury. " [1] [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gy927jx88o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gy927jx88o
    - OgsyedIE 4mo ago
      The suffragettes committed dozens of assaults and arsons and at least one deployment of an IED, which suggests bad faith in the interest of political orthodoxy by Lady Chief Justice Baroness Carr.
  - cassianoleal 4mo ago
cryo32 4mo ago
Ah yes the lovely protesters who spat on me, called me a baby killer and pretended they were going to punch me when I got stuck in the middle of them and said "I don't have time for this - I need to get to my mother" while I was trying to get to my dying mother in hospital and walked right into them leaving a tube station. Fuck 'em. Sympathy gone. Also I vote on local policy. The Middle East is a big political distraction from what's actually going on here. 99.9% of us can do fuck all about the Middle East and I suspect 90% of the country couldn't give a flying fuck about it either. But you know the council spent time on a meeting so they have a gaza policy but can't collect the bins reliably.
bluescrn 4mo ago
Locking up placard-wavers is stupid, but so is intentionally waving a placard with the name of a proscribed group, when just about any other message supporting the cause would be fine. If you do a million pounds in criminal damage and attack a police officer with a sledgehammer, you can't just write it off as 'direct action', you deserve a tough jail sentence whatever the cause.
- throwaway27448 4mo ago
  > proscribed group If the government is legitimately evil for proscribing a group they should be able to deal with their constituents calling them out for it. Materially hindering a genocide is by all currently accepted human standards a good thing.

There is one thing that might be in his power: to stop censoring and arresting people protesting against genocide. Edit: lol thanks HN for the usual downvote! :) I love this place!

gadders 4mo ago

...or any topic really. More people on the right than the left are being jailed for hurty words.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
Getting constantly distracted by foreign-policy items 90% of voters barely care about is how the UK wound up in this mess.
- gadders 4mo ago
  Oh agreed. If anyone cares that much travel back to whichever country they support and enlist. Also renounce your British citizenship at the same time.
  - gaiagraphia 4mo ago
    I practically beelined to Ukraine when the war broke out and dedicated a good 2 months to humanitarian work. I've probably achieved more independently than huge organised movements with probable nation state backing. Huge amounts of funding, huge election talking points, hundreds of thousands of people, entire student bodies, propaganda networks, and what quantifiable achievements have been made? It all comes off as a preformative social occasion with 0 goals. Have far more respect for those who put their money where their mouth is and actually joined ISIS than the professional protestor caste.
    - gadders 4mo ago
      I always think of the example of my step-grandad (amongst others) who left the UK to join the International Brigade during the Spanish Civil War.

OgsyedIE 4mo ago

I'm opposed too but there's little recognizance of the poor position the UK is in. Under the current decline of Britain's economic foundations, having enough diesel and gas to keep the lights on and the lorries running depends on imports from the US, which could well be banned overnight if the president - any president - feels they need to crack the whip. Opposing the Oval Office means shortages in the supermarkets, gas power stations turning off and a bond crash that makes the DWP lack the liquidity to service all of the monthly state pension payments, besides a great many other problems.

marysol5 4mo ago

You mean Palestine Action specifically, because the leadership of that group are violent terrorists. It's weird how you people never notice that NOBODY else is "arrested"

OgsyedIE 4mo ago
Over 2,000 middle aged women have been arrested as terrorists on the basis of holding protest signs though, it's been widely reported.
- deleted 4mo ago
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- mytailorisrich 4mo ago
  They did that on purpose, though: Palestine Action has been banned on the basis of being a "terror organisation", this means that supporting them is a criminal offence. Knowing that, they purposedly propested by holding signs saying that they supported Palestine Action... and therefore they were arrested as expected (and really the police has no choice in such cases not to undermine the rule of law). Note what the Court of Appeal said when ruling that the ban on terror grounds was legal: [It was] "a fundamental mistake to overlook the fact that Palestine Action overtly promotes unlawful violence amounting to terrorism. It is not - as claimed - a direct action civil disobedience protest group like the suffragettes, operating transparently in the open. It is a covert organisation which operates with secret cells to avoid the detection and prosecution of those using violence to destroy property and cause injury. " [1] [1] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gy927jx88o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gy927jx88o
  - OgsyedIE 4mo ago
    The suffragettes committed dozens of assaults and arsons and at least one deployment of an IED, which suggests bad faith in the interest of political orthodoxy by Lady Chief Justice Baroness Carr.
- cassianoleal 4mo ago

cryo32 4mo ago

Ah yes the lovely protesters who spat on me, called me a baby killer and pretended they were going to punch me when I got stuck in the middle of them and said "I don't have time for this - I need to get to my mother" while I was trying to get to my dying mother in hospital and walked right into them leaving a tube station. Fuck 'em. Sympathy gone. Also I vote on local policy. The Middle East is a big political distraction from what's actually going on here. 99.9% of us can do fuck all about the Middle East and I suspect 90% of the country couldn't give a flying fuck about it either. But you know the council spent time on a meeting so they have a gaza policy but can't collect the bins reliably.

bluescrn 4mo ago

Locking up placard-wavers is stupid, but so is intentionally waving a placard with the name of a proscribed group, when just about any other message supporting the cause would be fine. If you do a million pounds in criminal damage and attack a police officer with a sledgehammer, you can't just write it off as 'direct action', you deserve a tough jail sentence whatever the cause.

throwaway27448 4mo ago
> proscribed group If the government is legitimately evil for proscribing a group they should be able to deal with their constituents calling them out for it. Materially hindering a genocide is by all currently accepted human standards a good thing.