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> These are gender-affirming vehicles for a large number of men. I think people simply do find SUVs (which I don't like) convenient. Many women, including a hu

> These are gender-affirming vehicles for a large number of men. I think people simply do find SUVs (which I don't like) convenient. Many women, including a huge number of moms, do happen to just love SUVs. Both in the US and in the EU. In the EU SUVs are now approaching 60% of all cars sold (59.25% or so, latest numbers). You don't get such a market share by being mostly cars sold to men needing to "gender-affirm".

tapoxi 3mo ago
I drive an SUV. It's convenient! A Ford F150 is fucking ridiculous in comparison, and larger than any truck I remember seeing growing up, and there's people with F350s for personal use. One of them ran over and killed a kid outside a nearby children's museum. Those things are not safe.
bjt 3mo ago
"SUV" is too broad a category. A RAV4 is an SUV. It's similarly sized to most of the SUVs I've seen in Europe. And a pedestrian getting hit by one would have a similar experience to getting hit by a sedan. It's nothing like the big Rams, GMCs or F250s with the high front grilles that are becoming more popular while also being far deadlier to pedestrians.
- marek77 3mo ago
  A RAV4 in Europe is just a "SUV" (and one on the larger side). In the US, it's a "compact SUV"...
lojban 3mo ago
What are the benefits of an SUV over a minivan though? They seem objectively worse in practically all regards: worse fuel efficiency, worse doors, less cargo space, worse visibility.
- sublinear 3mo ago
  Not all "SUVs" are equivalent. The best ones have AWD and are basically just a beefier sedan/wagon. They more or less have the capabilities of a small pickup truck, but exchange the bed for more passenger space and inside cargo room. A minivan does have more space, but cannot tow and would immediately get stuck in the first mud patch it sees. I have no idea why people in the city buy them though (other than snowy regions).
  - alamortsubite 3mo ago
    Despite the fantasy manufacturers are selling, large pickups and SUV are terrible off-roaders. Visibility, weight, and approach, break-over, and departure angles are almost universally atrocious. Most don't even have live front axles, and the vast majority of SUV are unibody. I'm convinced locking differentials only continue to exist because the vehicles are so corpulent they'd be unable to move off-road without them.
- groundzeros2015 3mo ago
  I noticed that your home is a little bit bigger than it absolutely needs to be to sustain your life.
kelseyfrog 3mo ago
Sure, people can love SUVs, and trucks can be gender-affirming vehicles for a large number of men. Both can be true. Watch a US truck commercial. The market and the motivating themes are immediately obvious. Besides, drivers literally adorn trucks with prosthetic testicles. That's something that cannot be unseen.

tapoxi 3mo ago

I drive an SUV. It's convenient! A Ford F150 is fucking ridiculous in comparison, and larger than any truck I remember seeing growing up, and there's people with F350s for personal use. One of them ran over and killed a kid outside a nearby children's museum. Those things are not safe.

bjt 3mo ago

"SUV" is too broad a category. A RAV4 is an SUV. It's similarly sized to most of the SUVs I've seen in Europe. And a pedestrian getting hit by one would have a similar experience to getting hit by a sedan. It's nothing like the big Rams, GMCs or F250s with the high front grilles that are becoming more popular while also being far deadlier to pedestrians.

marek77 3mo ago
A RAV4 in Europe is just a "SUV" (and one on the larger side). In the US, it's a "compact SUV"...

lojban 3mo ago

What are the benefits of an SUV over a minivan though? They seem objectively worse in practically all regards: worse fuel efficiency, worse doors, less cargo space, worse visibility.

sublinear 3mo ago
Not all "SUVs" are equivalent. The best ones have AWD and are basically just a beefier sedan/wagon. They more or less have the capabilities of a small pickup truck, but exchange the bed for more passenger space and inside cargo room. A minivan does have more space, but cannot tow and would immediately get stuck in the first mud patch it sees. I have no idea why people in the city buy them though (other than snowy regions).
- alamortsubite 3mo ago
  Despite the fantasy manufacturers are selling, large pickups and SUV are terrible off-roaders. Visibility, weight, and approach, break-over, and departure angles are almost universally atrocious. Most don't even have live front axles, and the vast majority of SUV are unibody. I'm convinced locking differentials only continue to exist because the vehicles are so corpulent they'd be unable to move off-road without them.
groundzeros2015 3mo ago
I noticed that your home is a little bit bigger than it absolutely needs to be to sustain your life.

kelseyfrog 3mo ago

Sure, people can love SUVs, and trucks can be gender-affirming vehicles for a large number of men. Both can be true. Watch a US truck commercial. The market and the motivating themes are immediately obvious. Besides, drivers literally adorn trucks with prosthetic testicles. That's something that cannot be unseen.