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They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US govern

They clearly specify that they accept IDs from most countries. This likely means that they've reached a deal (or hope that they'll reach one) with the US government that lets them share Fable with foreigners, but only as long as they know exactly who it is being shared with. This is off-putting to the HN demographic, but won't change anything in practice. 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on.

calgoo 4mo ago
Sure if you want to share your ID and information with Persona. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632
rockskon 4mo ago
That remains to be seen. Assuming the worst from the start discourages people from taking any action and is an imprudent way to approach political topics.
dgellow 4mo ago
Persona already had scandals earlier this year: - https://cybernews.com/privacy/persona-leak-exposes-global-surveillance-capabilities/ https://cybernews.com/privacy/persona-leak-exposes-global-su... - https://hothardware.com/news/discord-drops-persona-after-users-blast-uk-age-checks-and-data-practices https://hothardware.com/news/discord-drops-persona-after-use... It’s off putting outside of HN
- andybak 4mo ago
  The Peter Thiel connection is especially toxic for a lot of people outside the US. Whether it's substantive or just optics doesn't make a huge difference.
  - cloverich 4mo ago
    Its optics. Personas series D is from his fund. Rich guy tries to get richer is the primary take away.
crote 4mo ago
> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on Why? Is Claude really so much better that the additional hassle and privacy invasion is worth it? What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools? Heck, considering the volatility of the LLM industry, shouldn't everyone already be using OpenRouter & friends to avoid getting screwed over by the model-of-the-week - making a switch absolutely trivial?
- cheonic52749 4mo ago
  > What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools? I’m lazy. I will simply upload my drivers license to Claude, and continue paying $200/month.
- 0x3f 4mo ago
  Fable seemed pretty good, but the thing is, even having access to test the next model _and see if it's worth switching to it_ is worth the marginal hassle/risk of doing the ID flow. A lot of things now do KYC, so we're not really talking about a categorical shift in me sharing ID info with any company vs not. It's just one more app.
- matheusmoreira 4mo ago
  Subscription prices. Anthropic subscription can't be used with third party harnesses. OpenRouter would require me to pay API prices.
  - chickensong 4mo ago
    This is the reason.
deepvibrations 4mo ago
Completely disagree that 99% of people will just do it. A lot of people are already skeptical of the frontier labs - I moved over to Claude from OpenAI when they bent over for the US government. And I'll certainly move on again if Claude start asking for photo ID.
slashdave 4mo ago
It's pretty obvious this has nothing to do with Fable
vachina 4mo ago
> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on. In a vacuum yes. But this space isn't vacuum, I'm going with path of least resistance.

calgoo 4mo ago

Sure if you want to share your ID and information with Persona. 1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47140632

rockskon 4mo ago

That remains to be seen. Assuming the worst from the start discourages people from taking any action and is an imprudent way to approach political topics.

dgellow 4mo ago

Persona already had scandals earlier this year: - https://cybernews.com/privacy/persona-leak-exposes-global-surveillance-capabilities/ https://cybernews.com/privacy/persona-leak-exposes-global-su... - https://hothardware.com/news/discord-drops-persona-after-users-blast-uk-age-checks-and-data-practices https://hothardware.com/news/discord-drops-persona-after-use... It’s off putting outside of HN

andybak 4mo ago
The Peter Thiel connection is especially toxic for a lot of people outside the US. Whether it's substantive or just optics doesn't make a huge difference.
- cloverich 4mo ago
  Its optics. Personas series D is from his fund. Rich guy tries to get richer is the primary take away.

crote 4mo ago

> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on Why? Is Claude really so much better that the additional hassle and privacy invasion is worth it? What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools? Heck, considering the volatility of the LLM industry, shouldn't everyone already be using OpenRouter & friends to avoid getting screwed over by the model-of-the-week - making a switch absolutely trivial?

cheonic52749 4mo ago
> What's stopping people from switching to one of the dozen or so other AI tools? I’m lazy. I will simply upload my drivers license to Claude, and continue paying $200/month.
0x3f 4mo ago
Fable seemed pretty good, but the thing is, even having access to test the next model _and see if it's worth switching to it_ is worth the marginal hassle/risk of doing the ID flow. A lot of things now do KYC, so we're not really talking about a categorical shift in me sharing ID info with any company vs not. It's just one more app.
matheusmoreira 4mo ago
Subscription prices. Anthropic subscription can't be used with third party harnesses. OpenRouter would require me to pay API prices.
- chickensong 4mo ago
  This is the reason.

deepvibrations 4mo ago

Completely disagree that 99% of people will just do it. A lot of people are already skeptical of the frontier labs - I moved over to Claude from OpenAI when they bent over for the US government. And I'll certainly move on again if Claude start asking for photo ID.

slashdave 4mo ago

It's pretty obvious this has nothing to do with Fable

vachina 4mo ago

> 99+% of people will just do the ID verification and move on. In a vacuum yes. But this space isn't vacuum, I'm going with path of least resistance.