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You risk being silenly flagged and get nerfed responses. Somehting like shadow dumbed down.
by tartoran 4mo ago
You risk being silenly flagged and get nerfed responses. Somehting like shadow dumbed down.
- stingraycharles 4mo agoThat’s quite a claim. What’s your source for this?
- 0123456789ABCDE 4mo agoFable's model card provides the following as a relevant reference https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026 https://xcancel.com/ClaudeDevs/status/2064949876463645026
- stingraycharles 4mo agoThat’s totally unrelated. The post I was replying to claimed that if you create a new account with OpenAI and that gets detected, your whole account gets silently “nerfed”. That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics.
- 0123456789ABCDE 4mo ago> That’s totally unrelated. i disagree, but it seems clear, from how you put it, that there's no point explaining the why
- mlyle 4mo ago> That is not in any way related to Fable (visibly) being switched to a less strong model if you’re trying to discuss certain topics. We're talking about it being invisibly moved to a weaker model if it looks like you're distilling (which is best detected through something that is at least partially a reputational / account metric). Now, Anthropic stepped away from this, but it highlights one more kind of systemic risk you're exposed to when you're not running the model yourself.
- preg_match 4mo agoIt demonstrates that: 1. Anthropic certainly has the ability. 2. They’re willing to use it silently.
- anamexis 4mo agoAnd this thread is about OpenAI.
- handoflixue 4mo agoThey already reversed course on that decision a couple of days later. Trivial to find a source, but Fable is also rather notably not available to the public right now, so it's not actually a relevant threat.
- 0123456789ABCDE 4mo agoexcuse me but, is this trivial source you're referring to the url included in the post you're responding to, or did they reverse back to the original intent of keeping refusals quiet?
- shevy-java 4mo agoSo ... like reddit! :) Thankfully I don't depend on any of such services. It would make me rather angry.
- inigyou 4mo agoHN also has shadowbans. If your preferences have showdead=yes, you might see some.
- eimrine 4mo agoThat's a decent moderation, shadowban is a totally different thing. AFAIK, your karma is enough to vouch that Flagged topics or comments and return that piece into a regular displaying.
- inigyou 4mo agoThere's no difference between shadowban and moderation, shadowban is a moderation tool.
- eimrine 4mo agoShadowban and community-driven moderation are different poles. Former is a tool of shallow narcisses, latter is the best moderation strategy possible in the clearnet. Come on, commenter.
- qingcharles 4mo agoReddit is the only platform that actually tells you that you are shadowbanned, so at least they are upfront about it, but their appeal system sucks. My friend just appealed every day for just over 600 days and finally got their account un-shadowbanned.
- inigyou 4mo agoReddit doesn't tell you you're shadowbanned. You are thinking of regular banned.
- gentooflux 4mo agoThat is an inherent and unavoidable risk regardless, as things stand if you want access to frontier models you are at the mercy of their providers.