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UHF X11: X11 Built for VisionOS and Apple Vision Pro
- ConanRus 4mo ago[dead]
- bigyabai 4mo agoWayVR is also worth checking out, if you're interested in using a native x11/Wayland desktop with a headset on Linux: https://github.com/wayvr-org/wayvr https://github.com/wayvr-org/wayvr
- fp64 4mo ago>3D in 2D in 3D. OpenGL clients can use GLX rendering over X11. Compatibility varies, as it did in the 2000s. Made me chuckle. I think at one point in my life I actually knew which exact GL versions and features were working on which servers. Also it's pretty cool. Still won't buy an AVP.
- fragmede 4mo agowhy not? Personally, I tried but the crap with my prescription because I wear glasses was too much, so I didn't end up getting one because I fail at executive function.
- bigyabai 4mo agoI need a new couch more than I need an AR headset, for one. $3,500 is a lot of money for a glorified devkit.
- mulderc 4mo agoThe Apple Lisa was introduced at around $10k (~$32k in today’s dollars). I do agree it is expensive but not historically out of line for a version one of a new product category for the company.
- bigyabai 4mo agoAnd thousands of Lisas went unsold, eventually getting dumped in a landfill after failing to find an eager audience like the Apple II enjoyed. There's a lesson, there.
- mulderc 4mo agoWithout the Lisa we wouldn’t have the Mac. The Vision Pro is a first gen of a new product category for Apple and I fully expect whatever comes from it will be very different than what we have today.
- Someone 4mo agoThe Mac arrived one year and five days after the Lisa. Vision Pro is over two years old now. It got a speed bump, but not a price decrease. I think the Vision Pro will be more like the Newton vs current iPads. Something will eventually replace it, but it will be significantly different, not slightly different, like Lisa vs Mac (I know they cut corners for the Mac, changing some nice OS features)
- ChrisMarshallNY 4mo ago> Without the Lisa we wouldn’t have the Mac. Without the NeXt Cube, we wouldn’t have the modern MacOS, or, for that matter, the iPhone (or Vision). Apple would certainly not be a multi-trillion-dollar company, and the Cube was a commercial flop. In that case, it wasn’t the hardware, but the operating system and app development framework that made the difference.
- Danox 4mo agoAnd that will be true about the Apple Vision too, how do you get there if you don’t have the ability to put the operating system and the hardware together and then iterate, the biggest problems with the Apple Vision is that it needs to be three or four times faster performance wise than what it is, needs to be half the size and it definitely needs to be more energy efficient from a battery standpoint and last but not least half the current price how does that happen? Only through iteration over time.
- wl 4mo agoYou can pay half that on eBay at the moment.
- bigyabai 4mo agoStill expensive, for a devkit. $1,750 would buy me a new in-box Pimax Crystal, or likely a Steam Frame with enough money left over to afford a Steam Deck. Vision Pro just doesn't have the content to justify that price. I use VR for flight simming, but even at half-off the Vision Pro looks like one of the worst immersive headsets money can buy.
- Danox 4mo agoActually, that’s cheap….
- bigyabai 4mo agoIt is more expensive than all three VR headsets I have owned and the PC I built for them, combined.
- jitl 4mo agoim an apple enjoyer with disposable income, i bought because my brother worked on the foveated rendering, but goddamn it’s so heavy that if i use for >2hrs i’ll have neck pain for >2 days. it’s neat and fantastic for chores and cooking if i wear for 30min at a time but super impractical for me to actually use if im not speed running exactly one task
- solid_fuel 4mo agoI've been interested in VR for a while and would be interested to try out a headset I could actually work in, but personally my interest in the Apple Vision Pro basically disappeared when the Steam Frame was announced. It's lower resolution, but I think it would probably be sufficient for light work, and I'm not really interested in the pass-through camera features of the AVP. The real differentiator though was that the steam frame will also work with my existing computer for gaming, and I think it's likely to be much more hackable than the Apple Vision.
- ianlevesque 4mo agoYes I really hope the memory storage just leads to a delay and not a cancellation.
- bayindirh 4mo ago> why not? For me it's nausea and motion sickness. When my ears don't sync with my eyes, my brain calls bug(), and it doesn't end well.
- koolala 4mo agoPrisonOS. It isn't a computer. They control everything to take 30% sales and monopolize the ecosystem including controlling your whole body.
- lorecore 4mo agoNeat, it would be cool if it also worked on the Quest.
- sourcegrift 4mo agoOn that note, anybody has rayneo air4 pro working with x11?
- thx67 4mo agoI can't believe the screenshot isn't running xeyes. At least it is TWM.
- zer0zzz 4mo agoI was thinking the same thing
- dofm 4mo agoRight. The only thing I want to know is do the xeyes follow you around the room!?
- jrmg 4mo agoApps don’t get access to gaze position on the Vision Pro, for privacy/security reasons.
- zeusk 4mo agoYou can get the user's head position using WorldTrackingProvider, that's enough for xeyes to follow you across the room. There's even a sample app close enough https://developer.apple.com/documentation/visionOS/placing-entities-using-head-and-device-transform https://developer.apple.com/documentation/visionOS/placing-e...
- TeMPOraL 4mo agoCould you run xeyes on the outside? IIRC Apple Vision had this outer display for rendering the bits of user's face that are covered by it.
- mietek 4mo agoIndeed, it's annoying that there doesn't seem to be an Apple-approved method for customizing the outer display.
- dosisking 4mo agoI thought it would have something to do with Weird Al. Oh well
- jeffreygoesto 4mo agoBet Raul's wild kingdom would be awesome in 3D...
- dosisking 4mo agoIt would be fun to teach poodles how to fly in 3D
- yjftsjthsd-h 4mo agoInteresting. I wonder if it's based on Xorg or something else
- exe34 4mo agoMay I ask what the recommendation is at the moment if I want a Linux AR headset that can take prescription lenses (or accommodate glasses)? I'd like to write my own code but not have to beg somebody else to let me run it.
- nolist_policy 4mo agoMeta Quest, but treat it as a dumb headset with ALVR?
- exe34 4mo agoThanks!
- SequoiaHope 4mo agoSteam frame is out soon and should be the ultimate Linux friendly headset. It runs real Linux and Valve is big on “it’s your computer to use as you please”.
- asimovDev 4mo agobut you can't use it like the AVP right? the camera in Steam Frame is black and white only (or is grayscale the better term?)
- jolmg 4mo agoThere is an expansion port on the nose area that can be used to add color cameras if you really want that. Personally, I think not being tied to a particular OS in the control of the device manufacturer is much more important than whether the cameras are color or just grayscale.
- asimovDev 4mo agowell the whole point of AVP, at least to me and many others, is the AR functionality , being able to walk around your house and having virtual screens in every room. Stuff like that. You would want full colour for that I think
- dipierro 4mo agoSeem to be unavailable in German App Store?…
- z3rocool 4mo agoLots of individual / hobbyist developers are no longer publishing to the EU App Store due to Digital Services Act regulation and compliance.
- jitl 4mo agoit’s too damn spooky. i know they rolled back or caveated some of the language after the uproar but i certainly would like to travel to the EU without any kind of anxiety about “do my open source apps mean im an EU felon if i forget to check github issues for security issues”
- inigyou 4mo agoCrimes require criminal intent, generally speaking.
- saaspirant 4mo agoI know startups who don't publish to certain EU countries because they have to fill "a big scary form"
- piskov 4mo agoYou can always switch to US app store region (cancel exisiting subscriptions, leave family, and wait until apple music/tv subscription is expired). You won’t be able to use non-US credit card for the app store but you can always buy US virtual apple gift cards on amazon straight from apple shop there.
- huflungdung 4mo ago[dead]
- rezmason 4mo agoVery creative! Does anyone else besides me suspect X11 will outlive visionOS?
- calvinmorrison 4mo agoCertainly, XLibre just released a new version 25.2.0. I suspect X11 will long outlast Fedora
- somat 4mo agoHell I half expect X11 to outlast wayland at this point.
- inigyou 4mo agoI'm GLaD to see more X11 projects recently
- pmkary 4mo agoThis is what I call interesting!
- wolvoleo 4mo agoIt would be great if this would work on the quest too. The AVP is just way too expensive.