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So much of this is written with an air of superiority over the noob. Indicates a bit of an ego problem. Yes, the noobs are noobs, but the goal isn't to exercis

So much of this is written with an air of superiority over the noob. Indicates a bit of an ego problem. Yes, the noobs are noobs, but the goal isn't to exercise your status over them. Or even to waste that much time trying to categorize between A, B, C. The goal should be to boost everybody's productivity instead of treating them like a game.

solannou 4mo ago
I agree. A more modest way of speaking would be welcome. It takes effort to get through but the content is quite interesting: it gives pragmatic milestones.
projektfu 4mo ago
I think the article is explicitly saying, "Ok, you're green, we know that. We're spending extra time with you to make you productive. You can help that process or hinder it, and if you're unteachable or uninspired, we'll probably end up letting you go. So here's some attitudes that get people singing your praises at this early stage." I'm not sure if this is the last gasp of this type of thinking as AI changes the landscape. There's a good chance that the future is just noobs, perpetually begging LLMs to do better until it works.
- lokar 4mo ago
  One possibility is it makes grasping these points quickly even more important. IME new grad hires are break even effort for me for the first 6-9 months. If it’s clear they will become positive after that I put more effort into helping them. LLMs may alter that break even math.
IshKebab 4mo ago
Yeah, the author clearly has his head up his own arse.
eudamoniac 4mo ago
The seniors are superior to the noobs. Kind of by definition.
- asveikau 4mo ago
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  - eudamoniac 4mo ago
    Is this a serious comment? Because if your first thought when hearing "experienced people are superior () to inexperienced people" in an article about a trade is to fail to mentally insert "in the skills of that trade" and instead insert "as people" and then immediately call the speaker a Nazi, you have serious issues to work through.
    - asveikau 4mo ago
      It's easier to dismiss me as having a screw loose than to look inward.
      - eudamoniac 4mo ago
        It's even easier to mute you thereby improving the level of discourse I see here, which I will now do.
      - avador 4mo ago
        I have always cringed at the senior-junior distinction, especially because it is mostly espoused by those calling themselves senior, and that felt unnecessarily imperious. Any senior in any workplace is senior because of their specific and narrow experience in their particular role, over a sufficient amount of dedicated time. So it felt wrong to me to allow such a bifurcation of human ability with a senior-junior framing. The thing is, when some people employ the senior-junior language, they are implicitly referring to that very particular, unique, and narrow situation of the role-space they have found themselves in, and justifiably so. We are all juniors in a much larger space than we are seniors. Does it irk that someone is a senior in the nest they have made? It did, for me, but not anymore. “I tilled this field 17 times; I know it”, is a statement not only of knowing a single field (as opposed to any other fields), but also about some way of tilling. Without a universal standardization over behaviour, we’re all mostly junior mostly all of the time. Any claim of “senior”ness is therefore a claim of finding something cool in some narrow space. It’s worth listening to and extracting the value from such claims, if the practices therein are producing evidently worthy outcomes. That said, “senior” is a very small boat in a very large sea. Better to be aware and humble, no matter the efficacy of your current practices in your current environment.

solannou 4mo ago

I agree. A more modest way of speaking would be welcome. It takes effort to get through but the content is quite interesting: it gives pragmatic milestones.

projektfu 4mo ago

I think the article is explicitly saying, "Ok, you're green, we know that. We're spending extra time with you to make you productive. You can help that process or hinder it, and if you're unteachable or uninspired, we'll probably end up letting you go. So here's some attitudes that get people singing your praises at this early stage." I'm not sure if this is the last gasp of this type of thinking as AI changes the landscape. There's a good chance that the future is just noobs, perpetually begging LLMs to do better until it works.

lokar 4mo ago
One possibility is it makes grasping these points quickly even more important. IME new grad hires are break even effort for me for the first 6-9 months. If it’s clear they will become positive after that I put more effort into helping them. LLMs may alter that break even math.

IshKebab 4mo ago

Yeah, the author clearly has his head up his own arse.

eudamoniac 4mo ago

The seniors are superior to the noobs. Kind of by definition.

asveikau 4mo ago
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- eudamoniac 4mo ago
  Is this a serious comment? Because if your first thought when hearing "experienced people are superior () to inexperienced people" in an article about a trade is to fail to mentally insert "in the skills of that trade" and instead insert "as people" and then immediately call the speaker a Nazi, you have serious issues to work through.
  - asveikau 4mo ago
    It's easier to dismiss me as having a screw loose than to look inward.
    - eudamoniac 4mo ago
      It's even easier to mute you thereby improving the level of discourse I see here, which I will now do.
    - avador 4mo ago
      I have always cringed at the senior-junior distinction, especially because it is mostly espoused by those calling themselves senior, and that felt unnecessarily imperious. Any senior in any workplace is senior because of their specific and narrow experience in their particular role, over a sufficient amount of dedicated time. So it felt wrong to me to allow such a bifurcation of human ability with a senior-junior framing. The thing is, when some people employ the senior-junior language, they are implicitly referring to that very particular, unique, and narrow situation of the role-space they have found themselves in, and justifiably so. We are all juniors in a much larger space than we are seniors. Does it irk that someone is a senior in the nest they have made? It did, for me, but not anymore. “I tilled this field 17 times; I know it”, is a statement not only of knowing a single field (as opposed to any other fields), but also about some way of tilling. Without a universal standardization over behaviour, we’re all mostly junior mostly all of the time. Any claim of “senior”ness is therefore a claim of finding something cool in some narrow space. It’s worth listening to and extracting the value from such claims, if the practices therein are producing evidently worthy outcomes. That said, “senior” is a very small boat in a very large sea. Better to be aware and humble, no matter the efficacy of your current practices in your current environment.