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Exacerbated by astonishing overuse for anything from a 2-minute endoscopy to a 15-minute hand surgery. The pursuit of “comfort” at the cost of fractional loboto

Exacerbated by astonishing overuse for anything from a 2-minute endoscopy to a 15-minute hand surgery. The pursuit of “comfort” at the cost of fractional lobotomy.

noduerme 4mo ago
You're suggesting people undergo endoscopy without anesthesia? You go first, bud.
- lambdaone 4mo ago
  Conscious sedation, which is not the same thing as general anesthesia, is often used for endoscopy: https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/patient-information/patient-leaflets/gastroenterology-conscious-sedation-endoscopy-procedure https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/patient-information/...
  - elric 4mo ago
    And sometimes it doesn't work. Patients are then given the option of going ahead without sedation, or rescheduling for general anaesthesia.
    - colordrops 3mo ago
      Hmm, I got one and they used ketamine and an amnesiatic. Not considered general anesthesia but I don't remember a thing. This was in the US.
    - deleted 3mo ago
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    - imtringued 3mo ago
      But even "general anesthesia" still has differing categories. Surgery uses propofol plus a gas anesthesia for "general anesthesia", but it is considered "general anesthesia" even if only propofol is used.
- elric 4mo ago
  Which end are we scoping? Colonoscopy is often done without anaesthesia but tends to take longer than 2 minutes, so I'm not sure if that's what OC is referring to. It's uncomfortable, but that's ok. Scoping nose/mouth->stomach also doesn't come with any drugs, just some lube.
- sersi 4mo ago
  I've done it (it's standard in many countries). Honestly, it's a bit horrifying because you are completely at the mercy of someone else but it's bearable. Colonoscopy is definitely easier. My only experience with global anesthesia was as a child waking up with a massive asthma attack unable to breathe so I try to avoid it.
  - eru 3mo ago
    > Honestly, it's a bit horrifying because you are completely at the mercy of someone else but it's bearable. Probably not as horrifying as brain surgery or getting your eyes lasered.
- ekianjo 4mo ago
  very common. doing it routinely. you never heard of it?
normie3000 4mo ago
One of the joys of private healthcare: I've seen general anaesthesia used to allow the patient to claim on their inpatient cover instead of their (exhausted) outpatient cover.

Exacerbated by astonishing overuse for anything from a 2-minute endoscopy to a 15-minute hand surgery. The pursuit of “comfort” at the cost of fractional lobotomy.

noduerme 4mo ago

You're suggesting people undergo endoscopy without anesthesia? You go first, bud.

lambdaone 4mo ago
Conscious sedation, which is not the same thing as general anesthesia, is often used for endoscopy: https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/patient-information/patient-leaflets/gastroenterology-conscious-sedation-endoscopy-procedure https://www.northerncarealliance.nhs.uk/patient-information/...
- elric 4mo ago
  And sometimes it doesn't work. Patients are then given the option of going ahead without sedation, or rescheduling for general anaesthesia.
  - colordrops 3mo ago
    Hmm, I got one and they used ketamine and an amnesiatic. Not considered general anesthesia but I don't remember a thing. This was in the US.
  - deleted 3mo ago
    [deleted]
  - imtringued 3mo ago
    But even "general anesthesia" still has differing categories. Surgery uses propofol plus a gas anesthesia for "general anesthesia", but it is considered "general anesthesia" even if only propofol is used.
elric 4mo ago
Which end are we scoping? Colonoscopy is often done without anaesthesia but tends to take longer than 2 minutes, so I'm not sure if that's what OC is referring to. It's uncomfortable, but that's ok. Scoping nose/mouth->stomach also doesn't come with any drugs, just some lube.
sersi 4mo ago
I've done it (it's standard in many countries). Honestly, it's a bit horrifying because you are completely at the mercy of someone else but it's bearable. Colonoscopy is definitely easier. My only experience with global anesthesia was as a child waking up with a massive asthma attack unable to breathe so I try to avoid it.
- eru 3mo ago
  > Honestly, it's a bit horrifying because you are completely at the mercy of someone else but it's bearable. Probably not as horrifying as brain surgery or getting your eyes lasered.
ekianjo 4mo ago
very common. doing it routinely. you never heard of it?

normie3000 4mo ago

One of the joys of private healthcare: I've seen general anaesthesia used to allow the patient to claim on their inpatient cover instead of their (exhausted) outpatient cover.