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The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the adm
by wood_spirit 4mo ago
The articles and discussion around this and the Amazon story all seem to me to be an earnest tech press and community searching for a genuine reason for the administration blocking Anthropic’s models.
However, thinking back to the spat with the DoD and more generally how the administration is much more supportive - and supported by - OpenAI and XAI and it’s easy to imagine this is just another escalation in the fight between a “liberal leaning” company and its competitors and the administration.
There might have been something said by someone at Amazon or something but I’d guess Occam’s razor the administration just leapt at the chance after their supplier sanctions fell flat?
- jeremyjh 4mo agoThey are searching for a headline that will attract clicks. Everyone knows nothing this administration does is genuine, but pretending there is a controversy related to whether or not it could be has been a money pump for the last decade.
- throwaway-blaze 4mo agoI dont get this at all...how does the administration or people within it get a "money pump" from headlines?
- jeremyjh 4mo agoThe administration usually does it through insider trading, but I was referring to the people who write the headlines, which are the news and media companies.
- tristanj 4mo agoAnthropic is going through the classic Ideological Resistance phase where they fight with the government on principles, that every major tech company also went through. Google, Facebook, Apple, Reddit, Microsoft (especially Microsoft) all had this phase. Then the companies realize fighting the US government is a lot of effort, expensive and creates a lot of drama, and it's easier to reach a mutual understanding.
- mentalgear 4mo agoIndeed, the diff: These previous big tech companies where fighting their neo-liberal agenda against a liberal government, now there's an autocratic fascist one fighting a liberal company.
- Danox 4mo agoThey should’ve kept their distance from the government as long as they could don’t volunteer to be helpful. Don’t volunteer to go meet with politicians keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can. Nothing good comes with associating with them. Have a legal department trained to be the buffer between you and the government any contact any questions goes through them and since you’re paying them a ton of money, they are the only people the politicians should get to know, oh, and again and again do not volunteer anything.
- dylan604 4mo ago> keep as low profile as you can for as long as you can this is the antithesis of a tech company whether it is VC funded or not, but especially if it is. you don't attract new users by laying low. you don't attract investors by laying low. laying low isn't even in a tech company's vocab.
- andrewchambers 4mo agoI think they meant keep a low profile from the government, not customers. Anthropic is doing the opposite by loudly asking for regulation.
- dylan604 4mo agoIf the company is "hot" attracting a lot of users, then of course the gov't is going to come knocking too. They're going to want access to all of that user data even if it's not a service they could use directly. Sure, you don't have to go courting government contracts, but it's not like government employees are not going to see the same PR civilian users see.
- jcgrillo 4mo agoIt smells an awful lot like the government is trying to pick a winner. Or, at least, a loser.
- inigyou 4mo agoIt would be a lot more believable this was pure corruption if it didn't come right after anthropic said mythos was a super weapon.
- jcgrillo 4mo agoFrom another angle that's maybe just a welcome excuse? Or it's some kind of more symbiotic malfeasance? Any way you slice it, it stinks. If it is actually about some misguided attempt at public safety or national security, what could possibly be the actual goal?
- vintermann 4mo agoAI companies always say that whenever they release a bigger model.
- red-iron-pine 4mo agoGPT-2 was to dangerous to release too I don't think anyone outside of, like, HN realize it was released...
- inigyou 4mo agoThey were correct. Look how much worse society got that directly traces back to releasing GPT-2.
- paulsutter 4mo agoDario (of Mythos): "Companies we gave it to said – this is a super weapon. you should have to own a gun license to use it. please don't release this" Mythos is clearly dual use (and automatically subject to export controls), even if Anthropic didn’t understand what that means. Yes this administration can be capricious and hyperpartisan. This isn’t one of those cases.
- Filligree 4mo agoMythos and Fable are not the same model.
- paulsutter 4mo agoRight and so they need to work out whether nerfed Mythos is dual use. I doubt that it should be, can’t wait to have it back as soon as possible. In the near future we may have a flippening where new models appear first on GovCloud (today it’s six months behind)
- 3836293648 4mo agoThey literally are. This is not a case of extra fine tuning, this is a case of enabling or disabling smaller guard models you have to go through first before you get to Mythos.
- zombot 4mo agoThat's just some sales pitch propaganda ad. With trillions of dollars of investments at stake you can't believe anything the interested parties say.
- jimbob45 4mo agoAnthropic is liberal-leaning? Certainly right of OpenAI. Or did OpenAI really do that well at scrubbing their actions from 2020-2024?
- duxup 4mo agoMaybe as simple as pay to play, bribe solicitation. Similar thing to this administration canceling random programs.
- chvid 4mo agoOr it is a straight up shake down: Upcoming IPO, Trump insiders demanding 10%.
- zaphirplane 4mo ago> Occam’s razor No dog in this fight but the Occam’s razor here is the story, model could be tricked to do things it was hobbled from doing
- gmerc 4mo agohttps://militairespectator.nl/artikelen/vranyo https://militairespectator.nl/artikelen/vranyo
- breppp 4mo ago> I’d guess Occam’s razor the administration just leapt at the chance after their supplier sanctions fell flat? For me Occam's Razor are these facts: 1. The Chinese are distilling American models 2. Anthropic last models have national security implications (large volume of exploit creation) 3. China is the US major adversary today That's why restricting access to the models sound like a reasonable to do
- dzhiurgis 4mo ago"liberal leaning" model that is said to extort you, call authorities on you and also too dangerous to be released.
- AussieWog93 4mo agoIf Anthropic's "liberal leaning" they sure do a good job of being subtle/non-obnoxious about it.