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IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client. Bonus points for it running fine

IME running the new outlook in an actual web browser (through outlook.office.com) is waaay faster than the heavy (heh) client. Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one (can't recall which), but for basic corpo emailing it works perfectly for me. I now have 0 reasons to use Windows at work, so, for once, I'll nonironically cheer MS for a job well done!

mystifyingpoi 4mo ago
Same experience here. Web version works just fine.
Jcampuzano2 4mo ago
Same experience when I worked somewhere using outlook. I exclusively used the web UI because it always ran faster for me, except for a small number of things it couldn't do.
number6 4mo ago
Even their Office Suite runs okay in the Web. For heavy lifting, like getting an md file into our Corporate Design, I still use libreoffice combned with our template.
thewebguyd 4mo ago
> I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one There are some people that use Outlook for...well I'm not sure what but things that go way beyond email and calendar. I've been using the web app for several years now, it's fine. When I was new in IT, I always struggled to see what the big deal was with Outlook desktop. The web mail has folders, rules, shared mailbox support, integrated calendar, etc. What more do you need out of email? Well, turns out a lot. People treat email has a permanent data store. I've encountered folks with multiple PST files archiving 10+ years of email. I ran into people that needed to queue up a bunch of offline emails in their outbox to send when they're on network again (ok, I kind of get this use case), and I came across all manner of horrors of COM Add-ins. Anyway, the root of the problem is people using email for everything it was never intended to do or be. If "new" Outlook can break some of those habits, we'll all be better off for it.
- KetoManx64 4mo ago
  Outlook COM addons + AutoHotKey was one of the ways that I learned programming back in the day. Email arrives > check the sender > if sender is $company > check for keywords and then run excel macros based on that > generate PDF report and automatically generate an outlook email, attach and send the file. Good times, it feels like we're getting less and less flexible with the hackability of our corporate workflows as time goes on.
  - emeril 4mo ago
    so true - I use some outlook vba to send mass emails programmatically
- pishpash 4mo ago
  More like email became stripped down and no longer what it was. Mailboxes were always a permanent data store, there were mail files on disk.
- warumdarum 4mo ago
  A self sorting shield against to much information if you are at the hub of some organization..
- impendia 4mo ago
  > People treat email has a permanent data store. Is this strange? I'll be trying to solve some problem, half-remember an email conversation from several years ago on something relevant, and want to look it up. This feels like the most natural thing in the world to me, and it's not like the ability to save emails is new. Why, exactly, would a forced change of habits be for my own good?
  - esikich 4mo ago
    No, not conversations, actual data. Think reports, invoices, large PDFs, etc. Emailing files to yourself, that sort of thing. Then they end up with multiple PSTs.
antaviana 4mo ago
Public Folders is what makes us stick with the old Outlook client. For 25 years Public Folder has been a simple drag and drop, hierarchical archive system for communications with clients and vendors at team level.
noisy_boy 4mo ago
That is terribly hobbled. Examples: 1. You can't run all the rules on your inbox to sweep the piled up email after a weekend reboot. No such option while it is still present in the legacy native Outlook. 2. You have no option of deleting an entry in your calendar without sending a decline. I am in many groups and sometimes just want to clean up my calendar without sending declines. Again, very much present in the native program. No one expects genuine innovation from MS, but at least they could put some effort into feature parity. Too much to ask for in the days of Copilot I guess.
- blackoil 4mo ago
  > after a weekend reboot Isn't new outlook lives in the cloud? So this shouldn't be a usecase.
  - noisy_boy 4mo ago
    How is being in cloud relevant if you are rebooting weekly.
- vladvasiliu 4mo ago
  > 1. You can't run all the rules on your inbox to sweep the piled up email after a weekend reboot. No such option while it is still present in the legacy native Outlook. I'm not sure what you mean. I have rules running regularly to move messages around, delete messages older than X in some folders. It all runs fine. Maybe there are some other kinds of rules I'm not aware of? But I do remember that back when "old outlook" was still the main thing, I needed to be running for the rules to apply, which meant that interacting with a different client was always... funny. > 2. You have no option of deleting an entry in your calendar without sending a decline Could this be a config flag somewhere? I've just run a test and invited my MS account from a personal mailbox. On the event, once accepted, there are two separate actions: decline and delete. I've received the "accepted" mail, but haven't received anything after "deleting" the event.
  - noisy_boy 4mo ago
    1. You can run selective rules, but when you have a whole bunch, running all is more sensible. 2. When you select a slot in the calendar screen and press delete, the only options you get are cancel and decline. All this is applicable for the PWA. The native client works fine.
codethief 4mo ago
> Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I haven't really been able to use outlook.office.com in anything but Edge, which on my Windows machine automatically authenticates with M365. In other browsers I regularly get stuck in an auth redirect loop between different Microsoft domains when I open the site. Sometimes it helps to clear all cookies and re-login (which is a real pain with 2FA and all) but it only ever helps once: If I close and re-open the site, I'll have to do it again. How people voluntarily pay for this crap is beyond me. (In my case it's forced upon me by my client. On my own machines I switched to Linux in 2010 and never looked back.)
- vladvasiliu 4mo ago
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mystifyingpoi 4mo ago

Same experience here. Web version works just fine.

Jcampuzano2 4mo ago

Same experience when I worked somewhere using outlook. I exclusively used the web UI because it always ran faster for me, except for a small number of things it couldn't do.

number6 4mo ago

Even their Office Suite runs okay in the Web. For heavy lifting, like getting an md file into our Corporate Design, I still use libreoffice combned with our template.

thewebguyd 4mo ago

> I understand there are some missing features compared to the old one There are some people that use Outlook for...well I'm not sure what but things that go way beyond email and calendar. I've been using the web app for several years now, it's fine. When I was new in IT, I always struggled to see what the big deal was with Outlook desktop. The web mail has folders, rules, shared mailbox support, integrated calendar, etc. What more do you need out of email? Well, turns out a lot. People treat email has a permanent data store. I've encountered folks with multiple PST files archiving 10+ years of email. I ran into people that needed to queue up a bunch of offline emails in their outbox to send when they're on network again (ok, I kind of get this use case), and I came across all manner of horrors of COM Add-ins. Anyway, the root of the problem is people using email for everything it was never intended to do or be. If "new" Outlook can break some of those habits, we'll all be better off for it.

KetoManx64 4mo ago
Outlook COM addons + AutoHotKey was one of the ways that I learned programming back in the day. Email arrives > check the sender > if sender is $company > check for keywords and then run excel macros based on that > generate PDF report and automatically generate an outlook email, attach and send the file. Good times, it feels like we're getting less and less flexible with the hackability of our corporate workflows as time goes on.
- emeril 4mo ago
  so true - I use some outlook vba to send mass emails programmatically
pishpash 4mo ago
More like email became stripped down and no longer what it was. Mailboxes were always a permanent data store, there were mail files on disk.
warumdarum 4mo ago
A self sorting shield against to much information if you are at the hub of some organization..
impendia 4mo ago
> People treat email has a permanent data store. Is this strange? I'll be trying to solve some problem, half-remember an email conversation from several years ago on something relevant, and want to look it up. This feels like the most natural thing in the world to me, and it's not like the ability to save emails is new. Why, exactly, would a forced change of habits be for my own good?
- esikich 4mo ago
  No, not conversations, actual data. Think reports, invoices, large PDFs, etc. Emailing files to yourself, that sort of thing. Then they end up with multiple PSTs.

antaviana 4mo ago

Public Folders is what makes us stick with the old Outlook client. For 25 years Public Folder has been a simple drag and drop, hierarchical archive system for communications with clients and vendors at team level.

noisy_boy 4mo ago

That is terribly hobbled. Examples: 1. You can't run all the rules on your inbox to sweep the piled up email after a weekend reboot. No such option while it is still present in the legacy native Outlook. 2. You have no option of deleting an entry in your calendar without sending a decline. I am in many groups and sometimes just want to clean up my calendar without sending declines. Again, very much present in the native program. No one expects genuine innovation from MS, but at least they could put some effort into feature parity. Too much to ask for in the days of Copilot I guess.

blackoil 4mo ago
> after a weekend reboot Isn't new outlook lives in the cloud? So this shouldn't be a usecase.
- noisy_boy 4mo ago
  How is being in cloud relevant if you are rebooting weekly.
vladvasiliu 4mo ago
> 1. You can't run all the rules on your inbox to sweep the piled up email after a weekend reboot. No such option while it is still present in the legacy native Outlook. I'm not sure what you mean. I have rules running regularly to move messages around, delete messages older than X in some folders. It all runs fine. Maybe there are some other kinds of rules I'm not aware of? But I do remember that back when "old outlook" was still the main thing, I needed to be running for the rules to apply, which meant that interacting with a different client was always... funny. > 2. You have no option of deleting an entry in your calendar without sending a decline Could this be a config flag somewhere? I've just run a test and invited my MS account from a personal mailbox. On the event, once accepted, there are two separate actions: decline and delete. I've received the "accepted" mail, but haven't received anything after "deleting" the event.
- noisy_boy 4mo ago
  1. You can run selective rules, but when you have a whole bunch, running all is more sensible. 2. When you select a slot in the calendar screen and press delete, the only options you get are cancel and decline. All this is applicable for the PWA. The native client works fine.

codethief 4mo ago

> Bonus points for it running fine on Linux, too. I haven't really been able to use outlook.office.com in anything but Edge, which on my Windows machine automatically authenticates with M365. In other browsers I regularly get stuck in an auth redirect loop between different Microsoft domains when I open the site. Sometimes it helps to clear all cookies and re-login (which is a real pain with 2FA and all) but it only ever helps once: If I close and re-open the site, I'll have to do it again. How people voluntarily pay for this crap is beyond me. (In my case it's forced upon me by my client. On my own machines I switched to Linux in 2010 and never looked back.)

vladvasiliu 4mo ago
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