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Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program
by netsharc 4mo ago
Started a new job, with Windows 11. notepad.exe now takes 3 to 4 seconds to load on my work system... (even after closing the last tab and reopening the program).
Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing...
- itopaloglu83 4mo agoMicroslop at its best. I’m struggling to understand what their end goal is. How much can you half ass everything until your entire company becomes just a nuisance.
- LollipopYakuza 4mo agoI have had the same thought for years. I guess their monopoly makes them able not to care about quality (and does not depend on it). A big decision maker, before signing a big contract, will look at the budget and won't care about how good is the UX.
- itopaloglu83 4mo agoAt some point I assume somebody had to explain why the start menu is 40-50 times slower than previous releases. Or they simply vibe-code something and ship it not caring what they created.
- Telaneo 4mo agoBig assumption there that they even have an end goal. Given that making Windows' market share is more or less impossible to make any bigger at this point (every human on earth has used Windows in some capacity by this point; there are no new markets to expand to, the only option left is to not bleed old users, but that requires significant effort and a good strategy), they've opted to not really bother with Windows and shifted focus completely, leaving Windows out to dry, resulting in this and gestures vaguely at Windows 11 and everything else Windows.
- tennfown 4mo agoAt thsi point i think the current goal is the annoy the tiny ants in the consumer market who complain and are a nuisance , but don’t make them much money compared is the big boys in the enterprise world.
- ChrisRR 4mo agoRemember that all of microsoft's divisions are competing against each other and they all have to turn a profit. So windows has to include AI, xbox, both onedrive and sharepoint, teams, etc. and so you end up with the worst of all worlds
- beart 4mo agoAs slow as Windows is (very), once you start adding the corporate security tools on top of it (Crowdstrike) and have to deal with a slow and buggy corporate DNS system, it just becomes unusable. The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL.
- vachina 4mo agoYeh. The unix VNC session I connect to is snappier than the client host it is running on.
- ExoticPearTree 4mo ago> The only way I can do anything timely now is through WSL. There's your mistake, if do it faster, you're going to get more work assigned. If you do it as Windows speed you get to do less work. Same money.
- nxc18 4mo agoTrue, those things make Windows unusable. They also make the Mac worse, but not so much worse that it isn’t an absolute breath of fresh air compared to any corporate provided Windows device.
- yoyohello13 4mo agoYeah, I'm worried about the day when infosec turns it's eye toward WSL. So far they have turned a blind eye, but just wait until someone cooks up an exploit targeting WSL...
- fluoridation 4mo agoIt's "just" a Hyper-V VM with some extra drivers to talk to the sibling VM. There isn't much special about it that should worry you too much.
- sparqlittlestar 4mo agoWell, I'd like to tell security that
- criddell 4mo agoSounds like something is wrong with your system. My work machine runs Windows 11 and it's fully up to date. Notepad starts pretty much instantly.
- pelotron 4mo agoJust give her a little of the ole "works on my machine."
- maccard 4mo agoAt my last job I was responsible for 70 windows 11 machines. At my current job it’s 20. These are i7/i9 spec with 64+GB memory and NVMe drives. No endpoint management software, just Intune for device registration. They all have _very significant _ performance issues out of the box, with very long app startups, and very confusing slowdowns. I am 99% sure it’s windows defender doing an absolute crap ton of work on every single file open, and ignoring file and folder exclusions.
- criddell 4mo agoI know IT people often aren't given the time to dig into this stuff, but xperf and event tracing should reveal the culprit fairly quickly. The best resource for this kind of stuff is Bruce Dawson's blog: https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/etw-central/ https://randomascii.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/etw-central/
- maccard 4mo agoI'm not IT, I'm' just the senior most engineer in a game studio. Ive got WPA captures that point to windows defender, even with processes and folders excluded. But I have literally no idea what to do with those traces, hence my 99% conviction.
- fluoridation 4mo agoIf it's that bad, why not just disable it?
- chris_wot 4mo agoThat's nothing. He have Surface Pro laptops, and of course it has Copilot built in. I tried to open an app by typing in a search. On versions without Copilot turned on, instantly finds the app. On a Surface Pro, takes a good 20-30 seconds for it even start the search. Complete rubbish. Not a single person in the organisation likes the new Outlook.
- lelandfe 4mo agoThe amount of applications on the average consumer's laptop is such a tiny space to search over that there really is no excuse for this being anything other than instant. iOS and macOS suffer this too, it's like I open search and the operating system awakes from a hangover and makes sure it's wearing pants first
- chris_wot 4mo agoiOS and macOS aren't even close to the awfulness of search on Windows.
- tonyedgecombe 4mo agoAlthough they have just rewritten it so there must have been some problems with it.
- Uzazo 4mo agoTip: Spotlight searches through all data and can be slow, but there's a separate App Library search that only searches the app names and it's instant.
- lelandfe 4mo agoOne of the first things I do on any Mac device is to disable Spotlight, install and bind Alfred to Cmd-Space, and then change Finder's preferences so that Cmd-F searches the current directory.
- ChrisRR 4mo ago
- Plasmoid2000ad 4mo agoLot's of enterprises are enabling whitelisting of apps launching using some sort of tooling - I think Microsoft provides one, and CrowdStrike etc. It's likely the delay involves a call to a backend application or even sometimes a web server. This would be on top of real-time scanning of every file before it's opened.
- ngc248 4mo agoTrue ... my company recently started deploying endpoint protection like crowdstrike, beyondtrust, zscalet onto our macs and these have slowed my machine considerably. They somehow spike the CPU just when I am doing something important.
- vachina 4mo agoThose are basically spyware hooked to every system call.
- freeAgent 4mo agoI cannot believe how ridiculously heavy this stuff is. On my corporate laptop with a modern i7 and 32GB RAM (running Windows plus Crowdstrike, Zscaler, and probably some other junk), it feels like I’m on a netbook. It’s awful.
- Joe_Cool 4mo agoMicrosoft has AppLocker (since Win7, I think). If you give it a curated whitelist it's actually quite alright and manages well via GPO. (until you manage to lock yourself out ;) Much less overhead than any 3rd party tool that hooks the kernel.
- 9x39 4mo agoYes, it's usually a filter driver that delays execution until something like a hash is checked or other rules evaluate. Some products hash every interesting/executable file on the PC. They're powerful tools but can be extremely performance-sapping.
- y-c-o-m-b 4mo agoI can't even start notepad.exe since upgrading to 11. It complains about a missing DLL. I'm only down to a few pieces of daily-driver software that I absolutely need a non-VM Windows installation for. Once I migrate from those, it'll be a full switch to Linux for me. I've hated Microsoft with a passion for far too long
- smusamashah 4mo agoTo everyone reading this, Win 11 Notepad CAN BE UNINSTALLED. Old one lives in c:/windows/notepad.exe which you can open with Win+R, type notepad to open good old non-slop non-ai notpead. Or do some registry shenanigans (you can find them online) to bring that one in start menu or make it a default editor.
- 9x39 4mo agoIt's sad. Further compounding the problem like siblings have said is enterprise security stack stuff - EDRs/XDRs, app control, firewalls, productivity police nonsense. The second thing is that enterprises typically don't have someone fighting for the desktop UX to remain usable when PC fleets go up for purchase - pick the cheapest toilet paper is often the strategy of the day. Now you have a PC that hits a bargain price point that seemed attractive on some analysis to the CFO, it's been saddled with security software that saps 50% of the limited performance to begin with.
- hommelix 4mo agoI've read some people replace notepad with Notepad2e [1]. I personally use vim as my text editor. [1] https://github.com/ProgerXP/Notepad2e https://github.com/ProgerXP/Notepad2e
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoThe calculator takes 17 seconds to launch and be usable on the Windows computer I'm forced to use at work. 17 seconds. I timed it. The old Win32 applications still launch instantly on the same computer. > Hah, it even has in-app purchases, for AI writing... That's disgusting, even by Microslop standards.