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The power of Opus isn't just the model, it's in the harness too. You can try it by using Opus through Github Copilot vs official Anthropic tools. You'll get ve

The power of Opus isn't just the model, it's in the harness too. You can try it by using Opus through Github Copilot vs official Anthropic tools. You'll get very different results and experience (in my opinion).

larsnystrom 4mo ago
I’ve only used Opus in GitHub copilot and was hugely underwhelmed. It was barely usable. Are you saying it’s better with the official Anthropic tools?
- m-ee 4mo ago
  I don't know about better but it's certainly different. It's painfully slow through claude code vscode extension compared to copilot but maybe "smarter", I feel like I have to correct it less using sonnet on both. I don't use opus much because of the cost but coworkers say the difference between harnesses there is also pronounced.
- theshrike79 4mo ago
  Night and day in my opinion. But these are all purely Feels so YMMV etc. I like how especially the Claude Code CLI version communicates how it's progressing, something they hide a lot more on the desktop app for example.
throwa356262 4mo ago
open source harnesses are also improving rapidly. Some people would claim they are already far better than CC and Codex.
- Terretta 4mo ago
  which harnesses, and which when?
  - d0mine 4mo ago
    Mimocode(opencode), Pi Coding Agent
    - klardotsh 4mo ago
      OpenCode is a quirky, buggy mess in my experience, but Pi is pretty solid and I’m glad to have recently switched over. Zerostack looks promising for certain types of users too.
      - throwa356262 4mo ago
        Mimocode from Xiaomi is a fork of opencode with some improvements. There is also reasonix, which specializes in good caching tlto keep costs low; https://reasonix.io/ https://reasonix.io/ I agree opencode can be a bit buggy, but codex and claude code are not much better either.
user43928 4mo ago
GitHub Copilot in vscode has two ways to access Opus: the Copilot harness or the Claude Code Agent SDK within Copilot. And that's if we assume that the vscode GHCP default Agent ("Local") is the same as the "Copilot CLI" one that is also selectable in vscode. I have not tried that one. A few weeks ago the Claude Code Agent SDK was much better than the default Copilot Agent, but nowadays I am not sure.
lelandbatey 4mo ago
I've tried Opus 4.6 in the Opencode harness through the Github Copilot API, and I've tried Opus 4.8 in Claude Code. I found I preferred Opus 4.6 in Opencode (and in general, I like Opencode much more in that it hid less from me). I found both to be pretty similar as far as efficacy (I was surprised that Opus 4.8 felt like such a minor improvement over 4.6).

larsnystrom 4mo ago

I’ve only used Opus in GitHub copilot and was hugely underwhelmed. It was barely usable. Are you saying it’s better with the official Anthropic tools?

m-ee 4mo ago
I don't know about better but it's certainly different. It's painfully slow through claude code vscode extension compared to copilot but maybe "smarter", I feel like I have to correct it less using sonnet on both. I don't use opus much because of the cost but coworkers say the difference between harnesses there is also pronounced.
theshrike79 4mo ago
Night and day in my opinion. But these are all purely Feels so YMMV etc. I like how especially the Claude Code CLI version communicates how it's progressing, something they hide a lot more on the desktop app for example.

throwa356262 4mo ago

open source harnesses are also improving rapidly. Some people would claim they are already far better than CC and Codex.

Terretta 4mo ago
which harnesses, and which when?
- d0mine 4mo ago
  Mimocode(opencode), Pi Coding Agent
  - klardotsh 4mo ago
    OpenCode is a quirky, buggy mess in my experience, but Pi is pretty solid and I’m glad to have recently switched over. Zerostack looks promising for certain types of users too.
    - throwa356262 4mo ago
      Mimocode from Xiaomi is a fork of opencode with some improvements. There is also reasonix, which specializes in good caching tlto keep costs low; https://reasonix.io/ https://reasonix.io/ I agree opencode can be a bit buggy, but codex and claude code are not much better either.

user43928 4mo ago

GitHub Copilot in vscode has two ways to access Opus: the Copilot harness or the Claude Code Agent SDK within Copilot. And that's if we assume that the vscode GHCP default Agent ("Local") is the same as the "Copilot CLI" one that is also selectable in vscode. I have not tried that one. A few weeks ago the Claude Code Agent SDK was much better than the default Copilot Agent, but nowadays I am not sure.

lelandbatey 4mo ago

I've tried Opus 4.6 in the Opencode harness through the Github Copilot API, and I've tried Opus 4.8 in Claude Code. I found I preferred Opus 4.6 in Opencode (and in general, I like Opencode much more in that it hid less from me). I found both to be pretty similar as far as efficacy (I was surprised that Opus 4.8 felt like such a minor improvement over 4.6).